How do you improve silencers?

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XLmoby
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How do you improve silencers?

Post by XLmoby » Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:06 am

Hello,
i am from Germany and have a question about your silecner laws.
First you design the silencer (Drawing) , then you fill out the form send it to ATF and pay 200$ tax.
When it is aproved, you are allowed to build the silencer.

But only the design that you send to ATF.

Right?

How do you improve the silencer then?
Pay a nother 200$ and wait for 6 Month before you can start building?
Are you allowed to put other cones or baffles in you silencer?

Sorry for my poor english writing

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Re: How do you improve silencers?

Post by danb35 » Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:40 am

You do not need to send the design to ATF, only the basic specs (overall length and caliber). However, once you've built it, you're stuck with it--you aren't allowed to make new baffles or otherwise modify it without paying another $200 tax to make another silencer. The other option is to be licensed as a manufacturer. In that case you pay an annual tax, and can make all the silencers you want without an additional per-item tax.

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Re: How do you improve silencers?

Post by XLmoby » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:28 am

danb35
thanks for the info.
regards
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Re: How do you improve silencers?

Post by Deathray » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:38 pm

From what I've seen in the silencer industry you improve performance with HDR photography, gun pseudo-celebrities using your product, and wildly overstated claims of performance.

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Re: How do you improve silencers?

Post by rockman96 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:46 pm

Deathray wrote:From what I've seen in the silencer industry you improve performance with HDR photography, gun pseudo-celebrities using your product, and wildly overstated claims of performance.
:lol:

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Re: How do you improve silencers?

Post by rjacobs » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:22 pm

Deathray wrote:wildly overstated claims of performance.
Best things we heard at SHOT from guys that, most likely, make their cans in their garage or basement:

"So how do your cans meter compared to say a Spectre II or Element(insert whatever we were comparing them to)"

"Oh we meet or exceed their performance"

"Where are your meter results"

"uh, oh, uh, we didnt bring those"

"ok have a nice day"

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Re: How do you improve silencers?

Post by Historian » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:23 am

rjacobs wrote:
Deathray wrote:wildly overstated claims of performance.
Best things we heard at SHOT from guys that, most likely, make their cans in their garage or basement:

"So how do your cans meter compared to say a Spectre II or Element(insert whatever we were comparing them to)"

"Oh we meet or exceed their performance"

"Where are your meter results"

"uh, oh, uh, we didnt bring those"

"ok have a nice day"

:) :)

Add:

The check is in the mail.

If you want us to meter your can you can keep your can.

An with a drum roll, I promise not to .....

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Re: How do you improve silencers?

Post by whiterussian1974 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:44 am

Historian wrote:Add:
The check is in the mail.
If you want us to meter your can you can keep your can.
An with a drum roll, I promise not to .....
..raise your...(taxes?)
..(cancel your policy?)
..(deny lifesaving medical treatment?)
..(make you change your doctor?)
..(listen to your phone conversations?)
..(read your email?)

Please Papa H, don't keep us guessing.
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Re: How do you improve silencers?

Post by GHEN » Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:02 pm

The answer is G: All of the above.

GHEN

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Re: How do you improve silencers?

Post by continuity » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:31 am

I believe the intimation is of the whisper in the ear type com, that follows "just the head"...
What amount of a man is composed of his own collection of experiences... and the conclusions that those experiences have allowed him to "know" for certain as "Truth"? :Ick

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Re: How do you improve silencers?

Post by whiterussian1974 » Wed Mar 05, 2014 2:01 am

continuity wrote:I believe the intimation is of the whisper in the ear type com, that follows "just the head"...
With a mildly ADHD mind, I can't stand to ...

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