What's the Best Barrel for 10/22 accuracy?

[whiterussian1974]

I know that rimfire barrels aren't know for accuracy. But before I lay out cash for an upgraded barrel, I'd like to know how much accuracy I can expect and which Maker/Model would be best.

At 75-100m my Marlin 60 gets about 2" on good day. 2.5" if my heart beating fast or unpredictible wind. It has 4-12x45mm scope.

If I should post in "Rimfire" SubForum, please let me know.

[doubloon]

Dead horses buried here ... http://www.6mmbr.com/rimfiretactical.html

[whiterussian1974]

Thanks Doubloon (and RJT that PMed). Great info and you both agree.
If Savage made a semi action with modular config, I would buy that.
I think that I'll go w Green Mtn quick twist barrel and bullpup stock from http://www.bullpup22.50megs.com/photo2.html.
The rig is mainly for Pest Control of Possums, Raccoons, squirrel, venomous snakes, etc.
Thanks All!

Now ? becomes, which trigger group? VQ?

[Emilio]

KIDD barrels then Fedderson then Green mountain for bang for buck. KIDD's chambers are hard to beat and the triggers are the best.

http://www.coolguyguns.com/10-22-KIDD-BARRELS_c_8.html

http://fjfeddersen.com/

Savage would have a looooooong way to go to catch Rugers in the world of semi 22's.

[whiterussian1974]

KIDD barrels then Fedderson then Green mountain for bang for buck. KIDD's chambers are hard to beat and the triggers are the best.

Savage would have a looooooong way to go to catch Rugers in the world of semi 22's.

I had heard good things about Savage Accu-trigger. And Doubloon's link showed that it beat standard 10/22 Ruger's in the 150m match.

But I think I will go w http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/8-subsonic ... -threaded/
Then pin an 8" can to barrel before mounting to action and bullpup stock I mentioned above. With bolt buffer it should be flee fart quiet, right?

Maybe add Kidd receiver. They are awful expensive. Do they offer any accuracy guarantee? It would probably cost less than buying a Ruger rifle and then Frankengunning it.

Thoughts?

[Emilio]

You asked for the best, 22's can be very accurate. Anything can beat a factory Ruger until you put a good barrel on it. Thier chambers stink! Even a chamber service is a big improvement

You want a guarantee from KIDD for his receiver on a green mountain barrel?

Doesn't sound like you want a accurate bench gun so just buy a decent barrel ( like GM)and ok trigger and save. No need for a great trigger for hunting. A bullpup is not the best stock for accurate anyway and has a trigger bar! The BP stocks can be short so watch your OAL. I'd rather use the knoxx stock .

If you want one of the "best" for heres one and why.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-DMDV94YJ9A
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jlOOrpCVTFw
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sHy2rlTbzis

The Savage accu trigger isn't even in the same class as a KIDD. He has different kinds and traditional.

People throw money at 10/22's for stupid things that aren't important then blame how much it costs to make it shoot like a match gun. ( this is ignorance )

Barrel, trigger, bolt face/breach. Then,,,,,, in that order.

[MCKNBRD]

Remember, if you're building a 'race gun' version of a 10/22, its going to be VERY ammo sensitive and fickle...just like a race car.

If you're wanting to pop squirrels and possums and plink, you're going to want a chamber better suited to bulk pack ammo, which is going to hurt accuracy. Biggest help on a 10/22 is to clean the trigger up; you don't need a match trigger to get one to shoot well.

Everyone wants to throw expensive trigger groups, receivers, and barrels at them to 'get them to shoot', but the factory trigger can be worked to break cleanly down to about 3lbs (reliably & safely); that, with decently consistent ammo and a 'properly torqued nut behind the trigger', can poke holes VERY consistently out at 50yds. Much past that, and you start having to feed it target, standard velocity, or subsonic ammo to avoid the VERY turbulent transition to subsonic flight.

I've built 10/22s for years; from basic 'clean up the trigger' and install a sling & scope, to full-on race guns that were over $1500 when done...its a great little rifle, but it doesn't NEED as much as folks throw at them 'to make them accurate'. Most folks want to brag about 'Kidd' this or 'Volquartsen' that...but the reality is that 99.5% of shooters aren't good enough to see the difference between a good trigger made from stock parts and a VQ TG2000; you might feel the difference, but the rest of the fundamentals are so shoddy that your groups won't shrink in proportion to the dollars invested.

Most often, a better course of action is to fix the stock trigger, get a decent sling, put your choice of aiming device on it (Tech-Sights, red dot, scope, whatever you prefer), find the ammo it likes best, and then spend the balance of what you would have blown on a 'full-cool' build on ammo and practice, practice, practice.

Software isn't nearly as cool as hardware, though...so we throw shiny things at the gun and work on our excuses...

Byrdman

[doubloon]

What he said.

[whiterussian1974]

So it sounds like consentious is Stock Ruger action, http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/8-subsonic ... -threaded/, 8" pinned suppressor, stiff stock and then try different ammo until I find good match. Smooth trigger if needed and drop pull to 3.5#.

If only the action touches the stock, wouldn't an aluminum bullpup be every bit as good as a stiff laminate sporter?

Or doesn't the barrel freefloat? I know that the V-block snugs the barrel throat to the action. But I don't own 1 yet, so am making presumptions based on photos.

[Emilio]

Dead horses buried here ... http://www.6mmbr.com/rimfiretactical.html

Comparing to a stock 10/22 with barrel band to anschutz .

Not even the tip Of an iceberg report let alone burying dead horses.

And From CA no less

[Emilio]

So it sounds like consentious is Stock Ruger action, http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/8-subsonic ... -threaded/, 8" pinned suppressor, stiff stock and then try different ammo until I find good match. Smooth trigger if needed and drop pull to 3.5#.

If only the action touches the stock, wouldn't an aluminum bullpup be every bit as good as a stiff laminate sporter?

Or doesn't the barrel freefloat? I know that the V-block snugs the barrel throat to the action. But I don't own 1 yet, so am making presumptions based on photos.

A bull pup is going to have a trigger bar making the trigger worse and it will need more return . it will also be a total pain taking apart for cleaning.

10/22 barrels are installed with two Allen screws and block,( not too tight) the key is free floating the barrel( unlike stock) and bed the action if loose. ( depending on what you " need")

You can make the 10/22 any way you want and this is why they are the best semi 22 rifles and " can" shoot with the best of them .

I've been working on 10/22's for 30 years ( correctly) and have done a ton of triggers and mods for me and others. I think Im down to 8 variations now.

You can only go so far with a stock trigger ( that lasts) you may be happy with stock but make sure it's done right . An easy way for a novice is to drop in a Vol hammer but if you want better then a fitted set with sear and shims. then even better you end up with trigger groups that are totally redesigned with better geometry , then you go up to KIDD.

For a hunting gun that can shoot inside dimes at 50 yards with good ammo, all you need is a good barrel/chamber that free floats and a desent trigger.

I disagree on match chambers being picky depend on who's ( longer stingers & velocitor aside) but suppressed will foul the chamber more.

Also dissagree that 99% of people not noticing the difference in good barrel or trigger. Children can tell the difference and have show better results in my experience gun per gun.

There is a ton of things you can do with these rifles so pick your needs and budget.

[whiterussian1974]

Dead horses buried here ... http://www.6mmbr.com/rimfiretactical.html

Comparing to a stock 10/22 with barrel band to anschutz .

I didn't understand what dead horses were beaten and buried.
But these are the pics of competitors. NOT standard banded barrel 10/22s.

Only the list of base models that could be used (listed at the bottom of article to show price range) speak of banded barrel 10/22s.

[doubloon]

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It's a good resource, the facts are relevant to the original topic and 22lr technology/ballistics has barely changed in over a century so it's not like there are a lot of mysteries surrounding the methods for obtaining optimum accuracy out of the cartridge. Those are the dead horses.

You bottomed out early in this thread, your posts aren't accurate and now you're just trying to stir sh!t to validate your own relevance but you're going to have to dig deeper than making fun of a site that has more facts and useful information in one page than you've posted in your entire history at ST.

Thanks for playing.

[Emilio]

I didn't understand what dead horses were beaten and buried.
But these are the pics of competitors. NOT standard banded barrel 10/22s.

It still doesn't tell you much, you can have 10 experts argue over one barrel let alone how those pictured 10/22's were built.

Ok amigo, enjoy what ever. Discussing good 22's can take many liftimes.

[Emilio]

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It's a good resource, the facts are relevant to the original topic and 22lr technology/ballistics has barely changed in over a century so it's not like there are a lot of mysteries surrounding the methods for obtaining optimum accuracy out of the cartridge. Those are the dead horses.

You bottomed out early in this thread, your posts aren't accurate and now you're just trying to stir sh!t to validate your own relevance but you're going to have to dig deeper than making fun of a site that has more facts and useful information in one page than you've posted in your entire history at ST.

Thanks for playing.

One article out of thousands. Not the divine conclusion to END ALL discussion dead horse like you say, thats ridiculous !

Not sturring sht at all . Tell me where I'm wrong in my advice. ( now that we know its for hunting) . Or are you the cheerleader type as posted earlier.

[whiterussian1974]

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It's a good resource,...
You bottomed out early in this thread, your posts aren't accurate and now you're just trying to stir sh!t to validate your own relevance but you're going to have to dig deeper than making fun of a site that has more facts and useful information in one page than you've posted in your entire history at ST.

Thanks for playing.

One article out of thousands...Not sturring sht at all . Tell me where I'm wrong in my advice. ( now that we know its for hunting) . Or are you the cheerleader type as posted earlier.

Not jumped between you 2. Just wanted to point out that the 3rd post (which was my 2nd post and really a continuation of the OP for clarification) stated that it was for Pest Control. Posted @: Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:52 pm

So it was stated before anyone weighed in other than Doubloon's link and RJT's PMs.

I respected RJT's PM discussion even though I thought that it would be better to make it Public so that others could read his additions in future months/yrs. Now that I see that .22lr is an emotionally evocative theme, I see why we kept it PM. Too bad, I thought that others could benefit from it. Oh well.

BTW: I'd like to thank ALL of you who posted. Each and everyone helped my education and inform my decision. Any added thoughts are still appreciated.

Doubloon, Emilio, Byrdman, RJT; thank you all. Each helped fill in spots that I needed.

[MCKNBRD]

Also dissagree that 99% of people not noticing the difference in good barrel or trigger. Children can tell the difference and have show better results in my experience gun per gun.

Reading really is fundamental.

I do stand by my statement that most folks can't tell the difference between a high-end replacement trigger group (Kidd, VQ, etc.) and a good trigger job on factory parts. ANYONE, and I do mean ANYONE that wraps their paws around a 10/22 and pulls the trigger can tell the difference between a factory trigger and an improved one.

Regarding the barrels, I'll relent *slightly*...the biggest difference is the weight, typically, which slows the 'wobble' the shooter has; there is also the OBVIOUS bias someone has due to spending a couple of hundred bucks and EXPECTING better groups. The shooter will slow down and focus more on the fundamentals than when it was stock, simply because its 'supposed' to be better. The best barrel on the market won't take a 6moa shooter down to 2moa, though. Its the indian, not the arrow.

There is a ton of things you can do with these rifles so pick your needs and budget.

On this, we VIOLENTLY agree. And it is why I have 5 or 6 10/22s...but only ONE of them has an aftermarket barrel (VQ THM Tension, FWIW).

Byrdman

[MJF1911]

I'm pretty happy with the Lilja barrel and Power Custom trigger on my setup. I also have one with the Tac Sol barrel and PC guts, and another with Rimfire Tech barrel and guts. They have different purposes but all are plenty accurate. When I want really accurate, I grab one of my 40Xs.

[Emilio]

Not jumped between you 2. Just wanted to point out that the 3rd post (which was my 2nd post and really a continuation of the OP for clarification) stated that it was for Pest Control. Posted @: Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:52 pm

Yes but your thread title and first post begged for the quicky answer. His link did nothing on bullpups and plinkers either.

Try some dedicated 22 forums for in depth info to cross reference what you are getting here. (Suppressor forum) Again, for hunting I would skip the aluminum bullpup idea and use something slim, light, easy to carry, take down, clean, and dry.