After a week of waiting and sweating,
this one is mine.
And, looks like I'm the only private owner of a legally registered suppressor...
In the whole Country.
Well, it's OFFICIAL.
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Well, it's OFFICIAL.
'Round here, we use to make loud stuff. Loud cars, loud motorbikes, loud opera music.
Time to take a break.
Time to take a break.
- chrismartin
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Ha! That's awesome! Congratulations and have fun with it.
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thanks!!chrismartin wrote:Ha! That's awesome! Congratulations and have fun with it.
'Round here, we use to make loud stuff. Loud cars, loud motorbikes, loud opera music.
Time to take a break.
Time to take a break.
- whiterussian1974
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Congratutions!
Whatever you had to go through to earn it, great job.
You've got something more rare than an Olympic Medal.
Like a Gold for Negotiating Bureacracy Event.
Whatever you had to go through to earn it, great job.
You've got something more rare than an Olympic Medal.
Like a Gold for Negotiating Bureacracy Event.
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Sweet, hope you paved the way for others too.
Member of the LSU, SWR, and RUGGED underground. Shame Silencerco!
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Congratulations!
May things get easier in the future
May things get easier in the future
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That is really cool !
Matt
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Auguri!!! adesso prova autorizzare il 9 mm !!!!
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Am I missing something? So what is so special about this?
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He is the only person in his entire country to privately own a legal firearm suppressor.A_Magyar wrote:Am I missing something? So what is so special about this?
That is pretty freaking awesome brother!
Kyle O.
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What do you mean privately own legal suppressor? If I have a stamp I am legally owning it as well . Sorry , I don't get it .
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He's in Italy.
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oh, ok. I didn't know it is that big deal there. Most of the countries in Europe you can't even shoot without suppressor .
Congrats !
Congrats !
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Rules in Europe are pretty diverse, anything from a complete ban to totally unregulated.
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Okay, to make a long story short, I'm not totally the only one.
there's just one other guy, another private gun enthusiast like me that has some.
And he's the one I bought my SD22 from.
The story goes that suppressors have always been legal. that is to say, no law directly made them unlawful to own.
But common misconception (just like in the US, do you remember Silencerco's "silencers are legal" campaign? )
and an array of military rulings made Italians believe that suppressors were indeed a military item in and of itself,
just like 9x19 ammo, or NATO Stamped ammunition, GENIII NV and other minor stuff.
Then came an EU ruling, that stated that suppressors are indeed a firearm part - just like barrels, slides or receivers.
It was good for Italians since we finally had it black on white - they were a legal part to own and register,
provided it was built by a licensed mfg, distributed by licensed individualls and registered as anything else we own.
It was rather bad for France though, that had suppressors for sale over the counter, no paperwork involved until then.
Not many Italian aficionados took advantage of the new law, especially none of the big name gun dealers/distributors/importers.
They had a license to risk.
Though me and another guy actually upheld the new law and tried importing suppressors. Me from France, he from Germany.
I was denied out of sheer ignorance of the new law, while he was granted import license for 10 or so suppressors,
and he's now starting to sell them to private individuals.
The drawback? we made it just in time.
Our Ministry of Interior does like suppressor so much, that as soon as it became obvious that suppressors were legal
issued a modification to the law ( Decreto Legislativo - Correttivo D.L. 204 /2010 ) that made them outright illegal to import and distribute
for the first time in history.
The law took effect on November 10, 2013. Every suppressor legally imported, distributed and privately registered is legal,
but just like machineguns in the US, no new suppressors will be available for sale.
By all intents and purposes, my suppressor is just one of ten "pre-ban, transferrable" ones in the Country.
there's just one other guy, another private gun enthusiast like me that has some.
And he's the one I bought my SD22 from.
The story goes that suppressors have always been legal. that is to say, no law directly made them unlawful to own.
But common misconception (just like in the US, do you remember Silencerco's "silencers are legal" campaign? )
and an array of military rulings made Italians believe that suppressors were indeed a military item in and of itself,
just like 9x19 ammo, or NATO Stamped ammunition, GENIII NV and other minor stuff.
Then came an EU ruling, that stated that suppressors are indeed a firearm part - just like barrels, slides or receivers.
It was good for Italians since we finally had it black on white - they were a legal part to own and register,
provided it was built by a licensed mfg, distributed by licensed individualls and registered as anything else we own.
It was rather bad for France though, that had suppressors for sale over the counter, no paperwork involved until then.
Not many Italian aficionados took advantage of the new law, especially none of the big name gun dealers/distributors/importers.
They had a license to risk.
Though me and another guy actually upheld the new law and tried importing suppressors. Me from France, he from Germany.
I was denied out of sheer ignorance of the new law, while he was granted import license for 10 or so suppressors,
and he's now starting to sell them to private individuals.
The drawback? we made it just in time.
Our Ministry of Interior does like suppressor so much, that as soon as it became obvious that suppressors were legal
issued a modification to the law ( Decreto Legislativo - Correttivo D.L. 204 /2010 ) that made them outright illegal to import and distribute
for the first time in history.
The law took effect on November 10, 2013. Every suppressor legally imported, distributed and privately registered is legal,
but just like machineguns in the US, no new suppressors will be available for sale.
By all intents and purposes, my suppressor is just one of ten "pre-ban, transferrable" ones in the Country.
'Round here, we use to make loud stuff. Loud cars, loud motorbikes, loud opera music.
Time to take a break.
Time to take a break.
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Why could somebody not just make one themselves? It seems like that is not addressed in that law.
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Every gun part must be produced by a licensed gun maker or gunsmith, sometimes even proofmarked.Xanderain wrote:Why could somebody not just make one themselves? It seems like that is not addressed in that law.
Since suppressors are now a firearm part, you should be one of the above.
But then you couldn't sell it, bcause you can transfer it between private individuals,
but cannot "distribute" it, since you have it on the books.
'Round here, we use to make loud stuff. Loud cars, loud motorbikes, loud opera music.
Time to take a break.
Time to take a break.
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Add my congratulations!
Of interest to our American brethren is Galdio's
" ..Then came an EU ruling, that stated that suppressors
are indeed a firearm part - just like barrels, slides or receivers."
Just a firearm part! Not a fully automatic weapon.
Would that some wise soul at BATF relegate suppressors to their actual category
of just an inert, hearing saving, firearm part.
Free their stressed resources and concentrate their manpower on
the clear and present dangers from those who openly and daily flout the firearms law
for criminal enterprises.
That day will surely come as in the 1960's when sending Playboy or Penthouse through
the US Postoffice was no longer deemed pornography and the Post Office reassigned the Postal Inspectors who
happily spent unlimited resources entrapping folks who ordered racy magazines through the mails.
In retrospect the sad but funniest incident was the conviction and imprisonment of Eros Magazine's publisher
Ralph Ginsburg, after only four issues, following a notorious obscenity case pertaining
to the magazine. One of the most damning things he did was to publish from
Blue Ball, Pennsylvania.
" Robert Kennedy indicted Ginzburg for distributing obscene literature through the mails,
in violation of federal anti-obscenity laws." -Wiki
Of interest to our American brethren is Galdio's
" ..Then came an EU ruling, that stated that suppressors
are indeed a firearm part - just like barrels, slides or receivers."
Just a firearm part! Not a fully automatic weapon.
Would that some wise soul at BATF relegate suppressors to their actual category
of just an inert, hearing saving, firearm part.
Free their stressed resources and concentrate their manpower on
the clear and present dangers from those who openly and daily flout the firearms law
for criminal enterprises.
That day will surely come as in the 1960's when sending Playboy or Penthouse through
the US Postoffice was no longer deemed pornography and the Post Office reassigned the Postal Inspectors who
happily spent unlimited resources entrapping folks who ordered racy magazines through the mails.
In retrospect the sad but funniest incident was the conviction and imprisonment of Eros Magazine's publisher
Ralph Ginsburg, after only four issues, following a notorious obscenity case pertaining
to the magazine. One of the most damning things he did was to publish from
Blue Ball, Pennsylvania.
" Robert Kennedy indicted Ginzburg for distributing obscene literature through the mails,
in violation of federal anti-obscenity laws." -Wiki
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Yeah, but you're like the only guy in Italy we know that has one.GLADIO wrote:Okay, to make a long story short, I'm not totally the only one.
there's just one other guy, another private gun enthusiast like me that has some.
Congratulations! (so what is the next one going to be?)
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Eh, not so easy.blueheeler66 wrote:Yeah, but you're like the only guy in Italy we know that has one.GLADIO wrote:Okay, to make a long story short, I'm not totally the only one.
there's just one other guy, another private gun enthusiast like me that has some.
Congratulations! (so what is the next one going to be?)
I'd love a 30 cal suppressor for my 300 AAC Blackout AR,
but since the Decreto Legislativo - Correttivo D.L. 204 /2010 that made import and distribution to private citizens
unlawful,
I won't be able to have one built or imported. Legally, that is.
And while the 22lr suppressor is quite cute, the real challenge lies with centerfire cans.
'Round here, we use to make loud stuff. Loud cars, loud motorbikes, loud opera music.
Time to take a break.
Time to take a break.