este wrote:It's funny to me that people are still doing this. Very 2011.

tsands974 wrote:Does it matter? It's este.

este wrote:It's funny to me that people are still doing this. Very 2011.

Dr.K wrote:I'm still not finding any "negatives" about this setup though.

Is there something better I'm missing that came to light after 2011?

este wrote:
You for real? Look harder. Cons:

You can't get to the muzzle to check or clean
Handguard removes in 3 minutes, just 8 screws
You can't check or properly tighten the can/muzzle device without removing the rail.
false, I built the can so it would hang far enough out to manipulate
You need a giant sized rail, while the best rails are trending far thinner.
I have long large hands, it feels very comfortable to me. I don't like the thinner rails. or cheese graters.
Extra weight for no reason, you're "protecting" the suppressor that doesn't need protecting.
Not concerned about can protection, but rather barrel deflection while resting on something to take a shot.
Can't safely shoot the gun without the can (well, you shouldn't anyhow)
Built this gun to use exclusively with silencer for hog killing
HEAT. I don't care if this is a low use gun, if you train with your guns, they get hot.
Maybe this is true but I've never had an issue with heat on this gun. I do a MAJORITY of training with a .22 upper set up the same way. Long rail, but standard length barrel.
Can't access gas block to adjust, which if this is a dedicated suppressed gun may be desirable
Easy access, at least on this rail, again it seems to have been thought out in the design phase
This "look" requires parts that may be compromise away from higher performance but exclusive specifications, too limiting
Not sure what you mean here. Everything works well on mine, and it's very accurate also.
Pros:
Longer grip, which on 4-6" barrels is definitely desirable, on 8"+ rails is usually not needed.
It really is personal preference, all my rifles have long forearms, better control on transitions for me
Longer sight radius... on guns that everyone runs optics on anyhow

Is there something better I'm missing that came to light after 2011?

Well, that's me joking for when the trendsetters realized that this is just a "look" that serves no increase in function unless you have an exceptionally short barrel (AAC Honey Badger 6", 5" 9mm AR, etc). I mean, don't get me wrong, if anyone wants to go after a certain "look" for their gun, go right ahead!!! Just don't be surprised if people make assumptions about your decision making and skills

I feel you, not every set up is for everyone. Honestly, I didn't know it was a "trend". I saw the rail, and thought up this build on my own. Oh, and I'm never surprised when people make assumptions, I've come to expect that from the masses.

This configuration works well for what I do with it. As far as my decision making, I thought about most of these things before I initiated the project, and for my skills....I wished I could see all the dead pigs this thing has brought down piled together....it would be jaw dropping! But, I can see your perspective on having a rail that does include all the let downs you mentioned. And were it a high round count rifle that were used for training type stuffs, Well, I can see your point there.

I'm not seriously trying to detract anyone from doing this. I just think it's passé.

Joker31D wrote:AP custom also has a new 17"
I'm interested in the longer handguards because I need the top rail space, If you run an aimpoint a magnifier and a PVS14 you need as much space as you can get. I know what you mean with heat, I had a FLIR unit overheat and shut down. If I bought the Larue top mount and a regular scope I guess I could dump the long handguards.