Waiting on my first suppressor, trying to decide on host

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Waiting on my first suppressor, trying to decide on host

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So I'm waiting for my first suppressor, a Huntertown Arms Guardian (new version). I filed on a trust in February and the BATFE cashed my check in early April so I should be getting it soon. I will be 21 in November so I'm hoping I get my approval around that time too.

I'm so excited, this is my first NFA item.

However, I currently have no host for this item. I've been playing with a few ideas but I'm short on cash, being a college student and all, so I would appreciate some help. i plan to eventually get all of them, but which comes first is the big issue.

My 3 ideas are either a Walther PPK/S .22lr, a GSG 1911, or a Ruger MKIII with barrel cut down to around 1.5''
I'll post concept images of all 3.

I want the PPK because I've been a huge James Bond fan all my life, the rest should be self explanatory. The only thing holding me back from that idea is the fact that I feel odd dropping $400 on a zamak pistol. I've heard mixed reports about these things, but I still REALLY want to do this.

The GSG 1911 is a different story, I plan on mocking it up like the pistol seen in an older video game (Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater), which was suppressed but highly customized. It would require me to replace the mainspring housing, replace and/or pin the grip safety, replace the sights, polish the slide and cut new serrations in the front, replace the trigger, safety and slide lock, and customize the grips. This all adds up to a costly piece, both in time and money. I've heard wonderful things about the GSG 1911, especially that it can take most parts meant for a 1911 (which is important for my project) but I'm still not sure if this is a project for a newbie, I expect a lot of hand fitting.

The last idea was a Ruger MKII or MKIII. After replacing the magazine safety and the loaded chamber indicator (if a MKIII) I plan on having the barrel cut down to just past the chamber, so that once the suppressor is added it looks like an AWC Amphibian but can also be used with out the suppressor. Also it has sort of an odd almost sci-fi kind of look with such a short barrel.

I would like opinions and advice on each of these guns or ideas, especially from those who have experience with these platforms or this suppressor.

Also, any advice for a first time suppressor owner would be nice.


PPK/S
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MGS3 In-game 1911 rendition

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An airsoft replica
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My MSPaint Mockup
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Ruger idea (I believe this image is from Silencertalk actually)
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Another of the same setup
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Same with just a muzzle knut
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You'll find a lot of detractors from the walther and it's zinc frame. If you want my honest opinion I'd look at the following:

Ruger 22/45 or mark 3
Browning buckmark
Ruger sr 22
My new favorite is my SW 422 :D

But, it's your can. Of your choices, the mark 3 is what I'd go with.
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I have a Walther P22 and love it, a bit difference than the one you listed. Threaded 1/2x28 threaded barrels are available too. With the P22, it is just a barrel extension that doesn't break the bank. Finding a threaded barrel for some brands can be a problem. http://www.americanrifleman.org/article ... 22-review/
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I have a Walther P22 and love it, a bit difference than the one you listed. Threaded 1/2x28 threaded barrels are available too. With the P22, it is just a barrel extension that doesn't break the bank. Finding a threaded barrel for some brands can be a problem. http://www.americanrifleman.org/article ... 22-review/
Same system for the PPK/S and GSG 1911, they just require a barrel extension that replaces the original muzzle knut.
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To me, that short Ruger barrel looks prone to baffle strike.
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The best, cheapest, most reliable, most long lasting 22lr pistol host would be the ruger 22/45 or mark 3. Personally, I'd get the factory threaded barrel version and call it a day.

While the super short ruger looks neat, I'd still get the factory threaded version as it will be more accurate. I'd be worried about baffle strikes with the non-barrel super shorty.
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Forget about what You or your friends think is cool and get the A stock threaded Ruger or thread a MKII at least 3"

When you get older and and make more money THEN you can do the stupid stuff. You'll need a lot more useful guns first though. :mrgreen:
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Forget about what You or your friends think is cool and get the A stock threaded Ruger or thread a MKII at least 3"
I'm getting a suppressor as a fun thing, all my guns other than my shotgun and P64 are range toys. I love out of the ordinary project and I like unique guns. I'm not trying to "impress my friends", I just like fun little firearms projects that result in unique guns that have special meaning to me.
To me, that short Ruger barrel looks prone to baffle strike.
I'd still get the factory threaded version as it will be more accurate
These have been done by multiple other people, I've been told with Aguilla SniperSubsonics that it works just fine, as far as accuracy goes, I''ve seen videos of this set up shown to be accurate at at least 25 yards. As far as I understand it barrel length has little to do with accuracy, just range and velocity.

I appreciate the advise on the Ruger I probably will try to get 2 uppers, or 2 complete guns. I hate the 22/45 for a few reason, mainly I prefer the Ruger grip angle but I also do not like the polymer frame on most, the paclite upper seen on many of them, or the fact that the magazines stick. But, I love the MKIII or MKII, I might eventually get a Talo edition and then grab a second upper for my project.


No one has any general suppressor advise or experience with either of the other 2 potential host?
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I had a Walther as my first host. It was a real POS. It worked great new, but after a few magazines it started jamming up, and I never could get it clean enough to get through a whole magazine. I went with the Sig Mosquito after that and it was the same junk. I finally put together a Pac Lite on a 22/45 and it has been very reliable and accurate. The Tandem Kross bushing makes the mags drop free and also improves the trigger quite a bit. I left the LCI intact since I find it useful.
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I would find a good used Ruger MK-2 over a 3.
I would not chop the barrel that short as you may have serious function problems without the suppressor attached.I had an Amphibian in the early 80's a lone from a uncle.It took a thousand rounds to break it in and only was reliable with full power military ammo.You had to keep it clean and properly lubed for it to function 100%.You pay a price with a very short barrel.Not all guns will function well and you may not have the coin to have a good smith rework the pistol.
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No love for the 22/45 Cap'n? Although I would agree about skipping the MkIII

+1 on doing stupid stuff later unless you have the money now to be able to throw away your mistakes or take a big loss on them

It's not so much an age thing IMHO as it is how soon you can afford to fix your mistakes vs how long you have to live with them
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doubloon wrote:No love for the 22/45 Cap'n? Although I would agree about skipping the MkIII

+1 on doing stupid stuff later unless you have the money now to be able to throw away your mistakes or take a big loss on them

It's not so much an age thing IMHO as it is how soon you can afford to fix your mistakes vs how long you have to live with them
The age thing is about wisdom and knowing how to be different yet practical at the same time. :mrgreen:

Also, just because it's a "range toy" doesn't mean it has to be unreliable or in accurate with common ammo,,,toys are made to be fun,,,,unreliable isn't fun. :mrgreen: not seeing much of a project either, I say keep searching . :idea:
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Wisdom doesn't always come with age.
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doubloon wrote:Wisdom doesn't always come with age.
True a old democrat still votes the same yet expects different results.
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Another host for your consideration:

Eye Candy S&W 41:

<< http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=5&f=16&t=63953 >>

<< http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/sh ... %2B+barrel >>

With a no longer made Ray Brandes Bully Barrel's accuracy:

<< http://www.ray-vin.com/tech/accuracy/accuracy.htm >>

S&W 422, the 41's country cousin, with a can for comparison:

<< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Aq5b87PgE >>

No matter what you pay for one it will keep its value like an old Aston Martin.
Add to this that it is a 'legal short barrel rifle' on a pistol frame.

Avoid disappointing, money wasting, POS plinkers if you have the fortitude.
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And, as age eventually takes its toll, no matter how hard one's denials
and mythic thinking to the contrary , one might consider using an
adjustable monopod such as the Gitzo with a shoulder brace*
and one of many rubberized Y- bracket that screws onto it.**

Resting an S&W 41 with 1 MOA dot scope on it for the 50 - 100 yard shots returns
one to his youth when handholding this amazing target pistol
to make such 'common' shots was not out of the realm of accomplishments.







* << http://s197.photobucket.com/user/kirkwo ... 2.jpg.html >>
<< http://s197.photobucket.com/user/kirkwo ... 2.jpg.html >>
<< http://www.midwayusa.com/product/815616 ... _ci_google >>
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Historian, he's looking for short.

My little Smith would fit his needs if it's "cool" enough. He might consider installing the threaded bushing as a " project". :mrgreen:

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doubloon wrote:Wisdom doesn't always come with age.
True but it sure don't come from youth! :lol:
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Agreed, a lot of it comes from experience.
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My little Smith would fit his needs if it's "cool" enough. He might consider installing the threaded bushing as a " project". :mrgreen:
I actually love this setup, it has a very interesting appeal.

How does the range suffer from the shortening of the barrel?
What is required in getting a host similar to yours? I'm assuming they do not come that short normally.
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dark2023 wrote:
My little Smith would fit his needs if it's "cool" enough. He might consider installing the threaded bushing as a " project". :mrgreen:
I actually love this setup, it has a very interesting appeal.

How does the range suffer from the shortening of the barrel?
What is required in getting a host similar to yours? I'm assuming they do not come that short normally.
I believe it's a S&W 2213. Cute little booger :D

Here's one on Gunbroker to look at Dark2023 : http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =437278807


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dark2023 wrote:
My little Smith would fit his needs if it's "cool" enough. He might consider installing the threaded bushing as a " project". :mrgreen:
I actually love this setup, it has a very interesting appeal.

How does the range suffer from the shortening of the barrel?
What is required in getting a host similar to yours? I'm assuming they do not come that short normally.
The 2213 silver and 2214 ( black) are no longer made and a bit hard to find ( wanted) but if you check your favorite shops or ask around you may find one at a fair price . Mine was $200 with only 2 mags fired and pouch . Shops could/should be $300 ish .

Very reliable little guns ( suppressed and non) perhaps the most reliable for its size. They shoot as good as the little sights allow. I can hit my steel targets at 100Y every time.

They hold 8 but can also use the larger 41/422 mags. Mag release is on the front strap, single action with safety, aluminum frame.

All you do is buy and replace the barrel bushing http://www.ewkarms.com/zen8/index.php?m ... 61b166e3c8 You can remove the stock bushing without a tool with a trick.

Weak point can be firing pin if dry fired but they sell them too and the slide locks back so no risk of dry fire abuse. ( never broke mine)

Can use 9mm cans with the sights do to low bore also.

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Weak point can be firing pin if dry fired but they sell them too and the slide locks back so no risk of dry fire abuse
I would expect that issue with any .22, I tend to avoid dry firing any of my older guns as well as any rimfire or cap lock weapons.

As far as price and aesthetics go, I really appreciate it, I might have to pick on of these up soon.
How well do they suppress when compared to say a Ruger Mk-x series
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I was looking towards a ruger MKll. Found 2 issues, sights were too low and like none of the MKll's have threaded barrels. While doing my research Ruger introduced a new model 22/45 MKlll called the "Lite" model #3903. Add a few mods like a kanewolf slingshot mod, MKll bushing and a LCI filler I had the best of both worlds.

Barrel is short enough that most bulk ammo shoots subsonic.

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They make a few "lite models now.

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You mean the front sight is low on tapered barrels but they made bulls too. Threading cost as much as replacing safety bits so moot point there. :mrgreen:

I did this one to fit the AAC Element and threaded a sight for 5 cents. :D also have a 4.5" 22/45 pre III that stays sub.

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These are "lite" (Soon to be SBR),,

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