Antifreeze

[Kudu40]

Has anyone here used automobile Antifreeze/Coolant for a suppressor coolant?
If so, what were your opinions?
Thanks,

Kudu40

[mpallett]

Has anyone here used automobile Antifreeze/Coolant for a suppressor coolant?
If so, what were your opinions?
Thanks,

Kudu40

Other than it being highly toxic, esp if you drink it, why?

[curtistactical]

Has anyone here used automobile Antifreeze/Coolant for a suppressor coolant?
If so, what were your opinions?
Thanks,

Kudu40

Other than it being highly toxic, esp if you drink it, why?

+1

[BCJ]

Has anyone here used automobile Antifreeze/Coolant for a suppressor coolant?

I tried several differnt things as coolant when I made my micro suppressors, antifreeze wasn't one of them. Everything I used had some amount of blow back that would hit you in the face - I wouldn't want antifreeze in my face

Wire pulling gel was hard to beat

[rimshaker]

How about Froglube paste? Smells good, and you can literally eat that stuff

[MattMan]

Why would you consider that?

[killjoythedestroyer]

How about Froglube paste? Smells good, and you can literally eat that stuff

When I use froglube in my octane suppressors it smells sickly sweet and almost nauseating. I wish it smelled minty fresh as it comes from the little jar!

[Fulmen]

Propylene glycol is actually quite safe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_ ... _in_Humans

"Serious toxicity generally occurs at plasma concentrations over 4 g/L in, which requires extremely high intake over a relatively short period of time"

[MattMan]

Propylene glycol is actually quite safe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_ ... _in_Humans

"Serious toxicity generally occurs at plasma concentrations over 4 g/L in, which requires extremely high intake over a relatively short period of time"

So is DDT in relation to human health, but I wouldn't pour it down my can, lol.
Just ribbing you man no offense. Just a funny topic.

"The majority of studies suggest DDT is not directly genotoxic.[59][60][61] The DDT metabolite DDE acts as an antiandrogen, but not as an estrogen. p,p'-DDT, DDT's main component, has little or no androgenic or estrogenic activity.[62] The minor component o,p'-DDT has weak estrogenic activity.

[Fulmen]

Not even if it cut the sound in half? C'mon, be honest now. We'd all wipe out the pandas if it meant better suppression

Honestly I wouldn't be afraid to use propylene glycol in a can, neither for my own or the cans sake. Even if you suck the fumes from the can (to each his own and all that) you won't be exposed to any amounts that can be considered harmful. From wiki: 12 rats were provided with feed containing as much as 5% PG over a period of 104 weeks and they showed no apparent ill effects.

[cyclone72]

I prefer hydrochloric acid as an ablative.

[Historian]

Not even if it cut the sound in half? C'mon, be honest now. We'd all wipe out the pandas if it meant better suppression

Honestly I wouldn't be afraid to use propylene glycol in a can, neither for my own or the cans sake. Even if you suck the fumes from the can (to each his own and all that) you won't be exposed to any amounts that can be considered harmful. From wiki: 12 rats were provided with feed containing as much as 5% PG over a period of 104 weeks and they showed no apparent ill effects.

Thank you for this very funny ... but true ... capturing of noble passion.

A wonderfully laughing way to kick start a recovery from the traveling " New England
Bubonic Plague" virus that has struck nearly as many folks as the ineptitude
and deliberate venomously destructive progressive politicians.

[Historian]

Not even if it cut the sound in half? C'mon, be honest now. We'd all wipe out the pandas if it meant better suppression

Honestly I wouldn't be afraid to use propylene glycol in a can, neither for my own or the cans sake. Even if you suck the fumes from the can (to each his own and all that) you won't be exposed to any amounts that can be considered harmful. From wiki: 12 rats were provided with feed containing as much as 5% PG over a period of 104 weeks and they showed no apparent ill effects.

Thank you for this very funny ... but true ... capturing of noble passion.

A wonderfully laughing way to kick start a recovery from the traveling " New England
Bubonic Plague" virus that has struck nearly as many folks as the ineptitude
and deliberate venomously destructive progressive politicians.

[whiterussian1974]

Not even if it cut the sound in half? C'mon, be honest now. We'd all wipe out the pandas if it meant better suppression

Honestly I wouldn't be afraid to use propylene glycol in a can, neither for my own or the cans sake. Even if you suck the fumes from the can (to each his own and all that) you won't be exposed to any amounts that can be considered harmful. From wiki: 12 rats were provided with feed containing as much as 5% PG over a period of 104 weeks and they showed no apparent ill effects.

I agree. I wanted to post something similar, but this Site kept logging me out and claiming "This board is currently disabled."
So instead, I'll post this sarcastic reply w actual links.?! "TX Oncology Doc uses Antifreeze for coffee sweetener."
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-doctor-a ... d=19356031
"A prominent Houston oncologist is accused of attempting to poison a colleague whom she was dating by lacing his coffee with a chemical used in antifreeze.

Dr. Ana Maria Gonzalez-Angulo, 42, was charged with aggravated assault of a family member after she allegedly put ethylene glycol, often found in antifreeze, into a cup of coffee and served it to Dr. George Blumenschein at her Houston home in January, ABC station KTRK-TV in Houston reported.

When Blumenschein, who reportedly preferred his coffee black, asked Gonzalez-Angulo why the coffee tasted sweet, she told him she put Splenda in it, KTRK-TV reported. When he asked her for a fresh cup, she allegedly told him to finish the coffee she gave him before serving him another cup, which tasted just as sweet.

KTRK-TV reported that Blumenschein experienced slurred speech, poor balance and loss of fine motor skills approximately four hours after drinking the poisoned coffee. He was hospitalized after 16 hours, and doctors determined he was experiencing central nervous system depression, cardiopulmonary complications and renal failure.

RELATED: "Cyanide Poisoned Doctor's Husband a Person of Interest," Lawyer Says.
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http://www.isciencetimes.com/articles/5 ... doctor.htm "...Ethylene glycol is an odorless, colorless, synthetic liquid. Used mainly as an antifreeze agent in heating and cooling systems, ethylene glycol is a multipurpose chemical and can also found in hydraulic brake fluids, detergents, paints and even cosmetics. The chemical is also poisonous if swallowed.

According to the Environmental Protection Agency, or EPA, when someone is exposed to large quantities of ethylene glycol, usually by ingesting it, the chemical weakens the body in three stages. First, ethylene glycol poisoning causes central nervous system depression, which decreases the breathing rate, heart rate and can lead to loss of consciousness. A person with acute exposure to ethylene glycol can show symptoms of vomiting, drowsiness, convulsions and gastrointestinal upset.

Next, the body experiences cardiopulmonary effects, and then later renal damage, which leads to kidney failure."

[whiterussian1974]

Not even if it cut the sound in half? C'mon, be honest now. We'd all wipe out the pandas if it meant better suppression
Honestly I wouldn't be afraid to use propylene glycol in a can, neither for my own or the cans sake. Even if you suck the fumes from the can (to each his own and all that) you won't be exposed to any amounts that can be considered harmful. From wiki: 12 rats were provided with feed containing as much as 5% PG over a period of 104 weeks and they showed no apparent ill effects.

I agree. I wanted to post something similar, but this Site kept logging me out and claiming "This board is currently disabled."
So instead, I'll post this sarcastic reply w actual links.?! "TX Oncology Doc uses Antifreeze for coffee sweetener."
------------------------------------
http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-doctor-a ... d=19356031
"A prominent Houston oncologist is accused of attempting to poison a colleague whom she was dating by lacing his coffee with a chemical used in antifreeze.

Dr. Ana Maria Gonzalez-Angulo, 42, was charged with aggravated assault of a family member after she allegedly put ethylene glycol, often found in antifreeze, into a cup of coffee and served it to Dr. George Blumenschein at her Houston home in January, ABC station KTRK-TV in Houston reported.

When Blumenschein, who reportedly preferred his coffee black, asked Gonzalez-Angulo why the coffee tasted sweet, she told him she put Splenda in it, KTRK-TV reported. When he asked her for a fresh cup, she allegedly told him to finish the coffee she gave him before serving him another cup, which tasted just as sweet.

KTRK-TV reported that Blumenschein experienced slurred speech, poor balance and loss of fine motor skills approximately four hours after drinking the poisoned coffee. He was hospitalized after 16 hours, and doctors determined he was experiencing central nervous system depression, cardiopulmonary complications and renal failure.

RELATED: "Cyanide Poisoned Doctor's Husband a Person of Interest," Lawyer Says.
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http://www.isciencetimes.com/articles/5 ... doctor.htm "...Ethylene glycol is an odorless, colorless, synthetic liquid. Used mainly as an antifreeze agent in heating and cooling systems, ethylene glycol is a multipurpose chemical and can also found in hydraulic brake fluids, detergents, paints and even cosmetics. The chemical is also poisonous if swallowed.

According to the Environmental Protection Agency, or EPA, when someone is exposed to large quantities of ethylene glycol, usually by ingesting it, the chemical weakens the body in three stages. First, ethylene glycol poisoning causes central nervous system depression, which decreases the breathing rate, heart rate and can lead to loss of consciousness. A person with acute exposure to ethylene glycol can show symptoms of vomiting, drowsiness, convulsions and gastrointestinal upset.

Next, the body experiences cardiopulmonary effects, and then later renal damage, which leads to kidney failure."

[whiterussian1974]

Not even if it cut the sound in half? C'mon, be honest now. We'd all wipe out the pandas if it meant better suppression

Honestly I wouldn't be afraid to use propylene glycol in a can, neither for my own or the cans sake. Even if you suck the fumes from the can (to each his own and all that) you won't be exposed to any amounts that can be considered harmful. From wiki: 12 rats were provided with feed containing as much as 5% PG over a period of 104 weeks and they showed no apparent ill effects.

I agree. I wanted to post something similar, but this Site kept logging me out and claiming "This board is currently disabled."
So instead, I'll post this sarcastic reply w actual links.?! "TX Oncology Doc uses Antifreeze for coffee sweetener."
------------------------------------
http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-doctor-a ... d=19356031
"A prominent Houston oncologist is accused of attempting to poison a colleague whom she was dating by lacing his coffee with a chemical used in antifreeze.

Dr. Ana Maria Gonzalez-Angulo, 42, was charged with aggravated assault of a family member after she allegedly put ethylene glycol, often found in antifreeze, into a cup of coffee and served it to Dr. George Blumenschein at her Houston home in January, ABC station KTRK-TV in Houston reported.

When Blumenschein, who reportedly preferred his coffee black, asked Gonzalez-Angulo why the coffee tasted sweet, she told him she put Splenda in it, KTRK-TV reported. When he asked her for a fresh cup, she allegedly told him to finish the coffee she gave him before serving him another cup, which tasted just as sweet.

KTRK-TV reported that Blumenschein experienced slurred speech, poor balance and loss of fine motor skills approximately four hours after drinking the poisoned coffee. He was hospitalized after 16 hours, and doctors determined he was experiencing central nervous system depression, cardiopulmonary complications and renal failure.

RELATED: "Cyanide Poisoned Doctor's Husband a Person of Interest," Lawyer Says.
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http://www.isciencetimes.com/articles/5 ... doctor.htm "...Ethylene glycol is an odorless, colorless, synthetic liquid. Used mainly as an antifreeze agent in heating and cooling systems, ethylene glycol is a multipurpose chemical and can also found in hydraulic brake fluids, detergents, paints and even cosmetics. The chemical is also poisonous if swallowed.

According to the Environmental Protection Agency, or EPA, when someone is exposed to large quantities of ethylene glycol, usually by ingesting it, the chemical weakens the body in three stages. First, ethylene glycol poisoning causes central nervous system depression, which decreases the breathing rate, heart rate and can lead to loss of consciousness. A person with acute exposure to ethylene glycol can show symptoms of vomiting, drowsiness, convulsions and gastrointestinal upset.

Next, the body experiences cardiopulmonary effects, and then later renal damage, which leads to kidney failure."

[whiterussian1974]

I see that I triple posted.
It sure would be nice if Site Admin would get "This Board is currently disabled" problem fixed!!!!
It's driving users away.

[fastfire]

I see that I triple posted.
It sure would be nice if Site Admin would get "This Board is currently disabled" problem fixed!!!!
It's driving users away.

Yes please fix the "This Board is currently disabled" problem !!!!

[Abiqua]

I prefer hydrochloric acid as an ablator.

FIFY

[11C1P]

They make more environmentally friendly coolants/anit-freeze. Like this one.

http://www.hoodchemical.com/corn-glycol.html

[cyclone72]

I prefer hydrochloric acid as an ablator.

FIFY

TY

[Historian]

Hope this is not automatically double posted:

1944, Red Skeleton very funny Radio commedian:

" I took my auntie riding in a cold and icy breeze
I put her in the rumble seat* to watch my Auntie-Freeze"


* << http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1932-plym ... -coupe.htm >>

[Tango2249]

Has anyone here used automobile Antifreeze/Coolant for a suppressor coolant?
If so, what were your opinions?
Thanks,

Kudu40

That's one hell of a first post...

[Meche_03]

Seems like we are getting our chemistry crossed....

Propylene glycol is very safe and is used in skin care products, drugs, e cigarettes, and food additives. The chemical is metabolized rapidly and through normal body functions. Toxicity is practically impossible 5 rough inhalation or consumption.

Ethylene glycol is much more dangerous. Toxic levels can be easily reached and the metabolic break down of it produces a toxin. Do not use it I my opinion.

Glycerin is also used as an anti freeze. It is very safe and metabolizes in the human body safely. It is used as a presevative, food additive, sugar substitute...... it is hydroscopic and will reach a steady state with absorbed water around 20%.

Water is the best liquid i know off for a "wet" can. That being said the clearglide wire puller product or others like it are very.good options. They are 98% water by weight and typically have additives that are not toxic at all. You have to check each products MSDS for details. Aqua glide and aqua glide cw work too....the cw stands for cold . weather and it stays in a gel state to 30 below zero I think...though it has less water and more additives to do this.

[whiterussian1974]

Water is good, but it tends to slosh around. That's why people prefer a Gel, Li Soap, Grease.
I'd love to find a low density gel full of low surface tension bubbles that easily break when contacted by solids, yet resist gases. That way it would act as a "wipe" by allowing the bullet to pass w/o deflection, yet help retain the gas. The punctured volume would be replaced by bubbles just after bullet passage.
Other threads have worked on foam metals and high density neoprene wipes. How about a low density self-healing elastomer?