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NFA Disapprovals

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:39 am
by Fulliautomatix
How common are disapprovals, and what are the "top ten" reasons? I've done some googling, and so far I've found 2 instances. One was where someone didn't get the trust name correct on the form, and the other was in Maryland, where the state government got involved and had requested that anything (aside from suppressors) pending be denied.

Re: NFA Disapprovals

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:50 pm
by jdne5b
I see a lot of posts about incorrect model #'s on form 1 SBRs. They don't like you to add the "-" in the model number. My Anderson lower is marked AM-15, but they want it to be AM15 on the form.

Re: NFA Disapprovals

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:59 pm
by dullh
One of my Form 4's got returned to the dealer because he missed a couple of boxes. It came back in 3 days, he fixed it, mailed back, 8 days later I was walking out with the can.

So...I'd say filling-out-the-form errors probably rank pretty high...

Re: NFA Disapprovals

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:15 pm
by Fulliautomatix
dullh wrote:One of my Form 4's got returned to the dealer because he missed a couple of boxes. It came back in 3 days, he fixed it, mailed back, 8 days later I was walking out with the can.

So...I'd say filling-out-the-form errors probably rank pretty high...
Maybe I'm reading that wrong, but it sounds like you got your paperwork approved in well under a month. Is that correct? When was that?

Re: NFA Disapprovals

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:24 pm
by AlabamaPaul
Fulliautomatix wrote:
dullh wrote:One of my Form 4's got returned to the dealer because he missed a couple of boxes. It came back in 3 days, he fixed it, mailed back, 8 days later I was walking out with the can.

So...I'd say filling-out-the-form errors probably rank pretty high...
Maybe I'm reading that wrong, but it sounds like you got your paperwork approved in well under a month. Is that correct? When was that?
No, an error letter was received, corrections were made, form was resubmitted, and soon afterwards final approval was received...

Re: NFA Disapprovals

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:23 pm
by pneumagger
Here's a situation that happened to "a friend" of mine... it might even be a hypothetical situation that never happened... and has nothing to do with me. It's definitely NOT me. :shock:

Two forms were kicked back about a year ago for having the "wrong trust name". No big deal. The wrong portions were corrected, resubmitted and they were approved about 2 weeks later.

The actual trust is, for example, "John Q Adams Revocable Living Trust"
The Form 4s had written, "John Quincy Adams Revocable Living Trust"

So the trust name written was not IDENTICAL to the trust document and therefore the ATF forms were understandably disapproved. As it turns out looking at several forms approved over the last decade, about HALF of them had the longer trust name that had just gotten some forms disapproved. Needless to say, who knows what to do with the old ones that were mistakenly(?) approved. Tell the ATF, and watch them confiscate a bunch of stuff? Get in trouble for unregistered items with invalid stamps?

Re: NFA Disapprovals

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:04 am
by Conqueror
Several common reasons:

Missing a box completely
Trust name doesn't match trust name on forms
Childish answer to "reasonable necessity" box (ie zombies, chicks dig silencers, etc. they used to approve these but have been rejecting them for years now)
Model name or serial number don't conform to standards
Invalid trust (ie, made yourself the beneficiary of your own trust or some other fundamental legal mistake)

Re: NFA Disapprovals

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:06 am
by Jt.kline19
pneumagger wrote:Here's a situation that happened to "a friend" of mine... it might even be a hypothetical situation that never happened... and has nothing to do with me. It's definitely NOT me. :shock:

Two forms were kicked back about a year ago for having the "wrong trust name". No big deal. The wrong portions were corrected, resubmitted and they were approved about 2 weeks later.

The actual trust is, for example, "John Q Adams Revocable Living Trust"
The Form 4s had written, "John Quincy Adams Revocable Living Trust"

So the trust name written was not IDENTICAL to the trust document and therefore the ATF forms were understandably disapproved. As it turns out looking at several forms approved over the last decade, about HALF of them had the longer trust name that had just gotten some forms disapproved. Needless to say, who knows what to do with the old ones that were mistakenly(?) approved. Tell the ATF, and watch them confiscate a bunch of stuff? Get in trouble for unregistered items with invalid stamps?
Iv actually had my dealer spell my last and first name wrong on a trust. The atf approved it and I notified them and they instructed me to notify them in writing of the proper name for correction in the NFTR. Then told me to line it out and initial it on my form. When I called it was recorded that the change was made.

Re: NFA Disapprovals

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:59 am
by Deathray
I had one kicked back for having "XYZ Trust, Guy Incognito grantor and trustee" instead of just "XYZ Trust"

Years ago, I had one kicked back for only putting "XYZ Trust"

In either case, I resubmitted it the way they wanted it and got my approved form back within two weeks.

Re: NFA Disapprovals

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:28 pm
by bronko1975
Now i'm getting concerned! I filed 2 eform 1's on March 23rd and used the dash in the model # of both. I put the model # as it appears on the firearm ST-15 and LAR-15....i'm praying they don't get kicked back

Re: NFA Disapprovals

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:47 pm
by Thumpher80
Hmm...my lower does not have a model number on it anywhere. I just put the serial number and marked N/A under the model number. Maybe they'll take it. I did leave them a comment explaining that. I guess we'll find out in a couple of weeks.

Re: NFA Disapprovals

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:30 pm
by gunham
Thumpher80 wrote:Hmm...my lower does not have a model number on it anywhere. I just put the serial number and marked N/A under the model number. Maybe they'll take it. I did leave them a comment explaining that. I guess we'll find out in a couple of weeks.
You will probably have to send them a picture of it. :x

Re: NFA Disapprovals

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:27 pm
by dullh
AlabamaPaul wrote:
Fulliautomatix wrote:
dullh wrote:One of my Form 4's got returned to the dealer because he missed a couple of boxes. It came back in 3 days, he fixed it, mailed back, 8 days later I was walking out with the can.

So...I'd say filling-out-the-form errors probably rank pretty high...
Maybe I'm reading that wrong, but it sounds like you got your paperwork approved in well under a month. Is that correct? When was that?
No, an error letter was received, corrections were made, form was resubmitted, and soon afterwards final approval was received...
I shoulda been more specific, but you are right.

Form would have been approved in 90 days on the nose, but due to the back-and-forth required to add missing info it took 101 days from pending to approval...

Re: NFA Disapprovals

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:39 am
by cal50
Had my form 1 trust kicked back for not including the full name.

Joe Blow NFA Trust / incorrect.
Joe Blow NFA Trust Revocable Living Trust / correct.

I had to resubmit and pay the tax again.
The refund took 2 months.

Re: NFA Disapprovals

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:08 pm
by jdasilva
I had mine disapproved because Jason bowers didn't bother to look at my trust except the 1st page. I had an amendment at the end which changed my trust name from blah revocable living trust to blah trust. What makes it weirder is that he had previously approved 2 stamps with the amended name. Ted clutter had it pushed the next day after I resubmitted it w another $200.

I'm still waiting for my refund from February 4th :(