Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

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Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by rimshaker » Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:29 am

Pass the popcorn around, this will be interesting to follow:

https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2015/04/ ... essor.html

There's still a seller on ebay with a bunch of these.
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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by T-Rex » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:04 pm

I started reading about this, the other day, in another forum.

I've said it before,"Play stupid games, win stupid prizes."
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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by RJT » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:18 pm

I laugh my ass off when I read something like this. It would be smarter to go buy fender washers, and pipe at Lowe's. :D :D :D
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by doubloon » Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:38 pm

And yet the sad part is I still don't think there should be a problem buying suppressor parts or full suppressors over the interwebs with no permit, no license, no NFA tax, etc.
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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by RJT » Tue Apr 21, 2015 10:15 pm

doubloon wrote:And yet the sad part is I still don't think there should be a problem buying suppressor parts or full suppressors over the interwebs with no permit, no license, no NFA tax, etc.
Agree 100%.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by Historian » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:35 am

doubloon wrote:And yet the sad part is I still don't think there should be a problem buying suppressor parts or full suppressors over the interwebs with no permit, no license, no NFA tax, etc.

Congress passed the NFA law in the 1930's. Congress and an enlightened Republican President, e.g. Ted Cruz, can put
cans in perspective as being in the same class as placing scopes on pistols with barrels less than 16"
by amending the law to bring it into the 21st century of reality.

Can we please emplore our staunch Conservative brethren NOT to stay home in the next Presidential
election?

It is simple as ABC: Anyone But Clinton. :)

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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by Deathray » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:48 am

Historian wrote: Can we please emplore our staunch Conservative brethren NOT to stay home in the next Presidential
election?
The big question is whether or not the GOP has learned that running a dirtbag candidate chosen by the party elite is a bad idea yet.

With the way the money is lining up behind Bush 3.0, I have serious doubts.

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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by LittleLebowski » Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:12 am

rimshaker wrote:Pass the popcorn around, this will be interesting to follow:

https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2015/04/ ... essor.html

There's still a seller on ebay with a bunch of these.
That's not actually an article, it's fear mongering to sell his services. THERE IS NO "CRACKDOWN."

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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by sillycon » Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:47 pm

Deathray wrote:
Historian wrote: Can we please emplore our staunch Conservative brethren NOT to stay home in the next Presidential
election?
The big question is whether or not the GOP has learned that running a dirtbag candidate chosen by the party elite is a bad idea yet.

With the way the money is lining up behind Bush 3.0, I have serious doubts.
EXACTLY! The problem with the republican party IS the "staunch" conservatives. They will *NOT* vote for an electable candidate -- they only vote for "staunch" conservative candidates that the other 90% of America just CAN'T get behind because the majority of their views are in direct conflict with the majority of the views of most Americans.

The only "issues" where "staunch conservatives" and "everyone else" even come close to meeting in the middle is on "less taxation" and "'shall not be infringed' means 'shall not be infringed'". With regards to social policy "staunch conservatives" are unelectable, and they seem to like it that way.

Any study of the work habits and ethics of the "younger generation" reveals a heavy bias towards self-reliance and libertarian social ideals (quitting a high-paying high-hour job in favor of a lower-paying lower-hour job which gives them more time for family), but those same biases mean that they will NOT vote for a candidate that will restrict their social liberties in anyway (anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-drug, etc.)

Obama came across as the social libertarian in the last election, and that's exactly why he was so popular. I don't know anyone that voted for him who won't admit he has been a complete train wreck at this point, but they'd still rather Obama get a 3rd term (Hillary) than have a 5th term of (a) Bush due solely to the candidates perceived stances on domestic social/family issues.

Realistically, I think the best hope for the R party this go around is probably Marco Rubio. Any WASP candidate is starting out way behind simply because Hillary will make another "first" in the oval office (first woman). Cruz, as latino/hispanic as his name may sound, comes across to the voting public as nothing more than another WASP who hates women (anti-abortion stance) -- that isn't a winning combination in today's America.

Rubio would make the "first" latino/hispanic president, is likely to galvanize a large part of the independent latino/hispanic vote, and (regardless of his personal views) hasn't (yet) been branded as a "woman hater" or a "gay hater" -- both of which are important demographics to getting into the White House today.

Until the "staunch" R base starts going for fiscally conservative and "socially liberal" "moderate" Republicans in the primaries, I don't think we'll see a positive shift in our electoral trends.

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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by FarmDadCO » Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:41 pm

Not buying into the meme . Unless and until a receipt for seized property is shown , or a press release from batfe on how they are protecting us from the menace of legal gun cleaning items it simply is more internet bs .

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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by rimshaker » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:38 pm

LittleLebowski wrote:
rimshaker wrote:Pass the popcorn around, this will be interesting to follow:

https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2015/04/ ... essor.html

There's still a seller on ebay with a bunch of these.
That's not actually an article, it's fear mongering to sell his services. THERE IS NO "CRACKDOWN."
Unless he's lying about it all, what exactly do you consider "...being contacted by local ATF agents..." ??

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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by KiA » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:42 pm

LittleLebowski wrote:That's not actually an article, it's fear mongering to sell his services. THERE IS NO "CRACKDOWN."
it's a blog. he's been writing NFA articles for years.
his service is mainly selling NFA trusts. how do you propose that post is marketing his services?

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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by Deathray » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:27 am

Knowing him probably something along the lines of "buy a trust from me and register it now to keep the ATF from shooting your dog!"

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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by RJT » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:35 am

Deathray wrote:Knowing him probably something along the lines of "buy a trust from me and register it now to keep the ATF from shooting your dog!"

Not at all. He just warns that some of the "kits" may get a form 1 builder in trouble.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by Conqueror » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:48 am

The article is garbage. It refers to the oil filter adapters, which is a long-settled issue, not the current wave of "solvent trap" components sold online, which are all very carefully considered from a legal perspective. And the article he links to "prove" his point makes no mention whatsoever of a solvent trap silencer, simply a "homemade" silencer, which probably wouldn't have been noticed by anyone if the guy wasn't also poaching, hunting on public roads, and selling meth and stolen goods to undercover cops.

I don't know what the motivation was for the article, but it's very poorly written and provides no evidence to support its claims. And a common tactic of gun trust lawyers has been to scare people into thinking a legal act might be illegal, then offering to "lawyer the problem away," for a fee of course.
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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by cpy911 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:47 pm

Conqueror wrote:The article is garbage. It refers to the oil filter adapters, which is a long-settled issue, not the current wave of "solvent trap" components sold online, which are all very carefully considered from a legal perspective. And the article he links to "prove" his point makes no mention whatsoever of a solvent trap silencer, simply a "homemade" silencer, which probably wouldn't have been noticed by anyone if the guy wasn't also poaching, hunting on public roads, and selling meth and stolen goods to undercover cops.

I don't know what the motivation was for the article, but it's very poorly written and provides no evidence to support its claims. And a common tactic of gun trust lawyers has been to scare people into thinking a legal act might be illegal, then offering to "lawyer the problem away," for a fee of course.
THIS!

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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by rimshaker » Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:32 am

Ok sure I understand the skepticism since he's a lawyer.

But again, what part of "...customers are reporting being contacted by local ATF agents to collect the parts they purchased." are you guys not taking seriously?

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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by T-Rex » Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:14 am

rimshaker wrote:Ok sure I understand the skepticism since he's a lawyer.

But again, what part of "...customers are reporting being contacted by local ATF agents to collect the parts they purchased." are you guys not taking seriously?
You try having a rational thought with tinfoil over your head! :lol:
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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by Historian » Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:19 am

rimshaker wrote:Ok sure I understand the skepticism since he's a lawyer.

But again, what part of "...customers are reporting being contacted by local ATF agents to collect the parts they purchased." are you guys not taking seriously?
+2

Wise words!

As a Bird Colonel once said during a reading in:
"Don't do anything that you would dump your load if
it appeared on the front page of the Washington Times."

Of course if your name is Clinton then that is a horse, or is it
a pig, of a different color. :)

Smart pays attention. Unwary ... well:

Jackie Brown gun runner: "This life's HARD man, but it's HARDER if you're stupid!"
-"Friends of Eddie Coyle" 1973 [ Great DVD ]

Heck, one would get into less hassle
if he were dumb enough to try 'appropriating'
a few gold bars from a Credit Suisse vault some night
during a long holiday weekend. You would at least be respected by
the fun folks you would be sharing accommodations with at Club FED.

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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by GTFord1 » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:34 am

rimshaker wrote:Pass the popcorn around, this will be interesting to follow:

https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2015/04/ ... essor.html

There's still a seller on ebay with a bunch of these.
The guy who runs that website has been pimping his site for YEARS to sell his service. I've called him out on it before. He's posted many, many bogus things in the past. He's also posted on various gun forums under different names linking to his site, trying to make it look like he's just "putting good information out there to help people."

Shyster.

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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by Liver » Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:07 am

Historian wrote:
rimshaker wrote:Ok sure I understand the skepticism since he's a lawyer.

But again, what part of "...customers are reporting being contacted by local ATF agents to collect the parts they purchased." are you guys not taking seriously?
+2

Wise words!

As a Bird Colonel once said during a reading in:
"Don't do anything that you would dump your load if
it appeared on the front page of the Washington Times."

Of course if your name is Clinton then that is a horse, or is it
a pig, of a different color. :)

Smart pays attention. Unwary ... well:

Jackie Brown gun runner: "This life's HARD man, but it's HARDER if you're stupid!"
-"Friends of Eddie Coyle" 1973 [ Great DVD ]

Heck, one would get into less hassle
if he were dumb enough to try 'appropriating'
a few gold bars from a Credit Suisse vault some night
during a long holiday weekend. You would at least be respected by
the fun folks you would be sharing accommodations with at Club FED.
I do not follow that train of thought. I'm sure it made sense at one time.

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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by GTFord1 » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:03 pm

Liver wrote:
Historian wrote:
rimshaker wrote:Ok sure I understand the skepticism since he's a lawyer.

But again, what part of "...customers are reporting being contacted by local ATF agents to collect the parts they purchased." are you guys not taking seriously?
+2

Wise words!

As a Bird Colonel once said during a reading in:
"Don't do anything that you would dump your load if
it appeared on the front page of the Washington Times."

Of course if your name is Clinton then that is a horse, or is it
a pig, of a different color. :)

Smart pays attention. Unwary ... well:

Jackie Brown gun runner: "This life's HARD man, but it's HARDER if you're stupid!"
-"Friends of Eddie Coyle" 1973 [ Great DVD ]

Heck, one would get into less hassle
if he were dumb enough to try 'appropriating'
a few gold bars from a Credit Suisse vault some night
during a long holiday weekend. You would at least be respected by
the fun folks you would be sharing accommodations with at Club FED.
I do not follow that train of thought. I'm sure it made sense at one time.
No one does, so don't feel bad.

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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by Shady » Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:22 pm

if people were being contacted about them dont you think by now at least 1 person from some of the main gun type forms or here would have posted about that phone call. Do you think they would really put agents on contacting the 10's of thousands of oil solvent traps adapter buyers. They have bigger fish to fry. Like all the guys that violate 922r :)

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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by KiA » Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:04 pm

GTFord1 wrote:He's posted many, many bogus things in the past.
a few examples?

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Re: Solvent traps/adapters crackdown

Post by doubloon » Sun Apr 26, 2015 9:02 am

GTFord1 wrote:...

No one does, so don't feel bad.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Go big or go home.

If you do find yourself in the pokey you'll get more respect for a failed bank heist than your only crime being possession of an illegal weapon.
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