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Re: Coyote Problem

Post by doubloon » Fri May 22, 2015 11:45 pm

sillycon wrote:For 50+ yard shots ...
No s--t?

Thanks for that. I never would have dreamed a longer sight radius would make that much of a difference.

I got caught up in the moment just trying to answer OPs question.

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Re: Coyote Problem

Post by cal50 » Sat May 23, 2015 9:16 pm

Handguns are great.....at handgun ranges and most people get it.
For longer distance a rifle platform is a better launcher , even in .45.

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Re: Coyote Problem

Post by doubloon » Sun May 24, 2015 12:25 am

cal50 wrote:... a better launcher , even in .45.
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Very nice.
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Re: Coyote Problem

Post by cal50 » Sun May 24, 2015 12:28 pm

doubloon wrote:
cal50 wrote:... a better launcher , even in .45.
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Very nice.

A few surprised woodchucks would have a different reply,lol.

Amazing sound 230 hardball makes thumping a soft critter downrange.


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Re: Coyote Problem

Post by doubloon » Sun May 24, 2015 1:22 pm

Skilz.

Feelings of inadequacy taken to new levels. :mrgreen:
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Re: Coyote Problem

Post by Emilio » Sun May 24, 2015 8:50 pm

Depends on your shooting skills. Me, my boy, and my neighbor all shoot pistols at those ranges and most times better than those rifle groups posted. :mrgreen: ( we do shoot daily though) Hell, with rifle they better damn we'll be touching if rested and on 3" -4" swingers un rested.

Cheap rifles? Handi in 357 or 300 BLK or Ruger Ranch bolt in 300 BLK.

Suppressor? I personally use the Octane 9 & 45 on pistols / rifles in anything from 22lr to 44 mag to 300 BLK.

Want in between, one of my favorites is a Contender II frame with threaded " super 14" barrels and a red dot, you can take their balls off with those .

Coyotes can be taken with 22 with a good shots and not much of a problem,, you should see the Cats and other Critters on my property. :mrgreen:

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Re: Coyote Problem

Post by cal50 » Sun May 24, 2015 10:25 pm

Emilio wrote:Depends on your shooting skills. Me, my boy, and my neighbor all shoot pistols at those ranges and most times better than those rifle groups posted. :mrgreen: ( we do shoot daily though) Hell, with rifle they better damn we'll be touching if rested and on 3" -4" swingers un rested.

if you can do better with a .45 handgun @ 100 yards with 15~25 mph gusts you da man.......



This is better but makes more noise.

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Re: Coyote Problem

Post by Emilio » Sun May 24, 2015 11:09 pm

I thought the subject was about how impossible it was to hit well @ 50 yards will a pistol. ( page 1)
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Re: Coyote Problem

Post by doubloon » Sun May 24, 2015 11:52 pm

banana for scale?
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Re: Coyote Problem

Post by sillycon » Tue May 26, 2015 11:29 am

doubloon wrote:
sillycon wrote:For 50+ yard shots ...
No s--t?

Thanks for that. I never would have dreamed a longer sight radius would make that much of a difference.

I got caught up in the moment just trying to answer OPs question.

Please b̶o̶o̶r̶ regale me with your thoughts on optics as well.
Clearly I somehow managed to offend you, but I frankly don't understand how. I simply suggested another means of solving the OP's problem that they may find more suitable/appropriate for the available tools/skills. If you can "wing-shoot" quick randomly moving targets at 50yd with a handgun and a "steady hand" under pressure then my hat goes off to you, but that's just not an assumption one can safely make regarding every shooters ability.

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Re: Coyote Problem

Post by [email protected] » Wed May 27, 2015 1:33 pm

Andy,

It depends a bit on how you are taking into account the numbers. The first 3 shots will probably average quieter on the Octane by a couple dB. The entire mag should average better on the Osprey.

The Osprey has a bit of first round pop (not bad to me, I don't mind it at all, but some folks may) and the Octane has next to none. That messes with averages a bit.

It can be argued both ways, all depends on how you consider the first couple shots.
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Re: Coyote Problem

Post by GUNHEEP » Wed May 27, 2015 3:42 pm

Josh
Thank you for your responce...i do want the next to none FRP..especially on at least the first three shots..hopefully that is all it will take...my place is heavily wooded, also with thick brush.so i want a heavy ball ammo...but i do like the flow of the osprey on the hk 45...
How is the octane look on the hk USP tactical 45? Can the standard sights work with the octane? Or do i need the the raised sight to shoot over the can? Any help guys?
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Re: Coyote Problem

Post by hardcase » Wed May 27, 2015 4:17 pm

GUNHEEP wrote:Got a problem with coyotes circling around my wifes little fluffy dog...took a few shots at them with the S&W 5906...didnt do anything except scare them away..gun was a little loud...dont want the liberal neighbors to complain about the sound either, so i figured i will buy a H&K USP 45 or MK23 45 ... Need a can to go with it..any suggestions? Not too worried about price...just want the quietest and most durable can i can get..i can use some help, since this is not my area of expertise...thank you in advance
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I think it is generally accepted the larger the bore the harder it is to suppress. If you can get by with a smaller caliber, it would be quieter. Not Hollywood quiet but quieter. Hollywood quiet is not possible, at least with a .45. My neighbor lives .3 miles away and shoots his suppressed .45 in his back yard. I can still hear it inside our house. It isn't disturbing but I can tell it is a gun. If your neighbors are anti-gun, you may have a problem.

You mentioned this is not your area of expertise, unless you have been around suppressed guns, I'd get with someone who has a .45 suppressed and maybe a .22 and a 300 BO and listen to the difference. A bolt gun or a lever gun is going to be quieter than an auto.

If you coyotes are like the ones around my house, most like you will not get but one shot, especially if it is in brush.

Check on the legality of cans where you live. They are not legal everywhere. Plus you have to have a tax stamp, meaning you can't walk into a store and walk out with a can.

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Re: Coyote Problem

Post by [email protected] » Thu May 28, 2015 10:23 am

You can also run the can wet to tame down the noise quite a bit... but it's messy.

Even without any FRP (and even wet to some extent) you're going to make some noise. I would equate it to dropping something in the garage. Say moving a dresser and the drawer slides out and hits the ground. There's some noise, and the wife may walk in and go "What on Earth are you doing out here?" but it's not alarming loud. Hammering a nail into soft wood may be a good example as well. You won't wince or destroy your ears, but it's not movie quiet. (22 bolt guns on the other hand are a different story, I've got a CO2 BB gun to that's louder)

Send me a private message with your email and I'll send some pictures you're way... I've got a 45C here not exact, but maybe will give you an idea of how an Osprey and Octane look on the same gun.

Sights are... well, a divisive topic. Osprey they aren't PERFECT but manageable. Most handguns are going to sit so the front post is level with the top of the can. If you're shooting off the top of the post, you're golden. If your point of aim is the dot, you're shooting through the top of the Osprey, barely.

The Octane really requires suppressor sights if you're wanting a good picture. I don't like "shooting through the can" with an Octane. Mentally it screws with me... but some people have no issue. For me, it's a big deal. Other folks could care less.
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Re: Coyote Problem

Post by imyomama » Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:43 am

i have both the mk23 and the 9 in hk with octane 9 and 45 on them .. the 9 is quieter.. but still not as quiet as this
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Re: Coyote Problem

Post by Sigproshooter » Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:33 pm

I cannot believe that nobody mentioned the FNH .45 tac and a TiRant can.

One hell of a combo, if you haven't shot it, you really should.

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Re: Coyote Problem

Post by Garrett » Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:48 pm

GUNHEEP wrote:...suppressing a 50AE would be nice, but the follow up shot would be a little tricky
Not really - the can acts like a big 'ol muzzle brake. Really cuts down on the muzzle flip that you get otherwise. Mine is just a little .44, but I imagine the .50 would work pretty much the same. I find the gas operated action makes it not the quietest host, though. Still quieter than your unsuppressed 9mm, though.

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I find a .22LR does just fine and suppresses very well. Especially if they are inbound at the coyote at 800 rounds per minute. :twisted:

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Re: Coyote Problem

Post by doubloon » Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:15 pm

sillycon wrote:..
Clearly I somehow managed to offend you, ...
Offended no.

Annoyed yes. Justifiably, not sure I care. :D

The OP asked a pretty simple question about how to improve his chances with the hand gun. It wasn't an open ended discussion on all the ways to kill a coyote.

Didn't see any reason to start boiling the ocean on all the best possible ways to take care of yotes because, if truth be told, there are even better/easier ways to take care of them than any kind of gun at all ... not necessarily more humane or legal.
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Re: Coyote Problem

Post by Killerapplesauce » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:52 am

LOL that Desert Eagle looks wicked fun! :twisted:

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Re: Coyote Problem

Post by fastfire » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:57 pm

Killerapplesauce wrote:LOL that Desert Eagle looks wicked fun! :twisted:
And so does this!

I find a .22LR does just fine and suppresses very well. Especially if they are inbound at the coyote at 800 rounds per minute. :twisted:

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Re: Coyote Problem

Post by GUNHEEP » Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:31 pm

[email protected] wrote:Andy,

It depends a bit on how you are taking into account the numbers. The first 3 shots will probably average quieter on the Octane by a couple dB. The entire mag should average better on the Osprey.

The Osprey has a bit of first round pop (not bad to me, I don't mind it at all, but some folks may) and the Octane has next to none. That messes with averages a bit.

It can be argued both ways, all depends on how you consider the first couple shots.

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Re: Coyote Problem

Post by bamachem » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:43 pm

GUNHEEP wrote:
[email protected] wrote:Andy,

It depends a bit on how you are taking into account the numbers. The first 3 shots will probably average quieter on the Octane by a couple dB. The entire mag should average better on the Osprey.

The Osprey has a bit of first round pop (not bad to me, I don't mind it at all, but some folks may) and the Octane has next to none. That messes with averages a bit.

It can be argued both ways, all depends on how you consider the first couple shots.

Josh
I will be contacting you on purchacing the octane...i bought a hk mk23 socom
Thank you
Andy
Good choices. I have a USP40T Full Size paired with an Octane 45 HD. This combo sounds about like a paintball gun. Very unassuming unless you knew it was indeed a firearm.
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Re: Coyote Problem

Post by imyomama » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:10 pm

GUNHEEP wrote:
[email protected] wrote:Andy,

It depends a bit on how you are taking into account the numbers. The first 3 shots will probably average quieter on the Octane by a couple dB. The entire mag should average better on the Osprey.

The Osprey has a bit of first round pop (not bad to me, I don't mind it at all, but some folks may) and the Octane has next to none. That messes with averages a bit.

It can be argued both ways, all depends on how you consider the first couple shots.

Josh
I will be contacting you on purchacing the octane...i bought a hk mk23 socom
Thank you
Andy
the mk23 is still my favorite host ... it's built so well ... i just love the sound it makes when you put a round in the chamber ... sounds like a suction ... you'd have to do it yourself to understand ...

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