One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

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One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

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One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

Post by photoman12001 » Sat Feb 27, 2016 9:01 pm

The pending changes coming to NFA purchases through trusts have lit a fire under me to finally make the 7.62 suppressor purchase I've been putting off for a few years. I am buying through Silencerco's military discount program but I am torn between the Saker and Omega as I have been for about a year now. Both should be arriving at my dealer within about a month and I want to be ready to buy when they arrive.

My order of priorities is:
  • 1) Durablity. I know nothing is guaranteed but I'd like to get the possibilities of issues as low as possible.
  • 2) Suppression. Of course I'd like it to be as quiet but not at the cost of significantly reduced durability.
  • 3) Versatility. This this will likely be my only centerfire rifle can I'd like it to be very versatile.
  • 4) Weight. I'm not overly concerned about this unless my SIG 516 or Ruger GSR might be more sensitive to extra weight due to their designs. I'm hoping if that's the case someone can educate me about it. I will use QD mounts and from what I've read the difference between the Omega and Saker isn't as great if both use QD. I hung weight on the muzzle of each rifle about equal to the weight of each suppressor (based on factory specs). Based on that the Saker's extra weight would be noticeable but not back-breaking.
  • 5) Mount. I've seen almost as much debate about this as I have the suppressors but by most accounts both seem to be good. I'm not currently invested in either.
  • 6) Cost. This one is low. The difference between the two is $185 and it's not significant enough to sway me if the higher priorities point to a particular choice.
Current hosts:
  • Ruger Gunsite stainless 18-1/2" barrel
  • SIG 516 16" barrel
  • For now these would mostly be range toys but I will likely hunt with at least the Ruger down the road.
Here are some excerpts from Silencer Shop's description of the Omega that give me pause regarding long-term durability:
  • a paper-thin layer of titanium
  • relied on gluing the core into the tube
  • keeping the Omega as light as possible for low-to-medium volume shooters - instead of focusing on a durable/easily warrantied outer tubes
I'm not saying the Omega is bad and would have no experience to back up such a statement, but that description concerns me. This will likely be my only 7.62 unit and I know Silencerco has good customer service but even doing a warranty replacement will be a pain under my trust if the new rule goes into effect and the "paper-thin" serialized part was not salvageable.

Based on this, my gut is telling me Saker. I figure the Saker is more stout and it's been out longer so there might be less chance of issues. Is my logic flawed?

I found this video last night of a 7.62 suppressor comparison, including the Saker and Omega.
I have to admit, the Omega sounded pretty darn good. It wasn't shockingly better than the Saker but it did suppress better.
Click here for the entire video or see links below to jump to specific spots: I'm just looking for opinions to reinforce or blast holes in my gut decision even though most of what I've read has been about a 50/50 split between these two. First-hand experience with both would be a plus. I posted this on SIG Forum and the vote currently sits at 7 for Saker, 19 for Omega. For some reason that hasn't really swayed me so I was curious what results I'd see here or if any other tidbit of information might arise to push me one way or the other. The video above did make me consider the Omega a little more though.

By the way, I already bought an Octane 45 HD on a whim while I was in the shop talking to them about these. They had it in stock at the military price and I just went with it. I hadn't really planned on getting a centerfire pistol can but I figured what the hell. That one seemed to be versatile. Now I need a host for it and I'm thinking a P220 along with threaded barrels for my P226 and Glock 19. I currently own a Spectre II and SS Sparrow as well.


A few photos of the rifle hosts:

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And a few of my current stuff just for good measure:

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I recently had my TC Contender .22LR pistol threaded as well but no photos yet. Awesome suppressor host.

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My 10/22 with PWS barrel:

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Browning Buck Mark Rifle:

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Re: One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

Post by quiettime » Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:09 pm

Awesome photography, that's a much-needed welcome addition to the forum. Can't have too much gun pron.

I voted for the Saker because you only want one can and it is certainly the more durable of the two. Will it matter? Probably not but it sounds like that's really the can you're leaning towards because of your criteria. Plus it will look awesome in your photos and that's what really matters :lol:

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Re: One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

Post by CanOfWhooppass » Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:40 pm

I chose the Saker for my "cover a bunch of rifles" can. The mount was a big plus for me, very solid QD and with no levers to flip so it works well under handguards for a SBR with longer rail to grab.
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Re: One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

Post by photoman12001 » Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:47 pm

quiettime wrote:Awesome photography, that's a much-needed welcome addition to the forum. Can't have too much gun pron.

I voted for the Saker because you only want one can and it is certainly the more durable of the two. Will it matter? Probably not but it sounds like that's really the can you're leaning towards because of your criteria. Plus it will look awesome in your photos and that's what really matters :lol:
Thanks, I did notice a disturbing lack of gun porn when I was perusing the site looking for information. That's usually a requirement on gun and knife forums. I'm happy to contribute.

I don't know why I'm so stuck on the Saker. My head tells me the Omega is better because it's lighter and seems to suppressor a litter better but my gut still says Saker. I'm hoping to have both in my hands in the next couple of weeks. That will likely clinch the deal one way or the other. I wish that getting both was an option but they are just too expensive and I don't shoot centerfire rifle enough to justify two. It made sense with the Sparrow and Spectre. I shoot rimfire a lot and my wife and I shoot it together often so we can both use one.

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Re: One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

Post by quiettime » Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:08 pm

photoman12001 wrote:...I don't shoot centerfire rifle enough to justify two...
Well that changes things a little...given this I'd lean a little more toward the Omega. With durability listed as your top priority it sounded like you shoot a lot.

Either way, both great cans, can't really go wrong

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Re: One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

Post by photoman12001 » Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:26 pm

quiettime wrote:
photoman12001 wrote:...I don't shoot centerfire rifle enough to justify two...
Well that changes things a little...given this I'd lean a little more toward the Omega. With durability listed as your top priority it sounded like you shoot a lot.

Either way, both great cans, can't really go wrong
I'll probably shoot them more with the suppressors because it's just more fun.
I just want to minimize the chance that I'm going to run into any issues with this item.

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Re: One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

Post by Tony M. » Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:34 pm

Of those choices, the Saker seems like the better option. I personally would almost always trade durability for 2 decibels.

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Re: One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

Post by quiettime » Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:46 pm

Tony M. wrote:Of those choices, the Saker seems like the better option. I personally would almost always trade durability for 2 decibels.
But then there's the weight, and the small cost savings. Not as cut and dry, but as I said, both great cans from a great company. If he can demo them both I'm sure he'll know at that point

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Re: One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

Post by rimshaker » Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:23 am

The Omega is a little quieter with the anchor brake attached. That's the caveat. With just a flat endcap, it would probably be on par with the Saker.

Like you, I valued durability above all else for my rifle can. And I wanted something kinda overbuilt. You can't beat a full Stellite baffle stack.

With the Omega's stainless steel stack (besides the Stellite blast baffle), I kinda cringe just thinking about it on a SBR, or rapid fire, or maybe full auto if you're lucky.

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Re: One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

Post by thecameraman79 » Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:54 am

I personally went with the Omega when I was pondering both. I already had a SDN-6 which adds more then 20 oz to the front of the rifle not including the muzzle device and now that I'm running the Omega on the same rifle it does make a difference. The only reason I see with going with the Saker over the Omega would be if you want to run the can on a shorter barrel then the omega is rated for. I.E. a 7" 5.56 barrel you couldn't run the Omega on. SilencerCo has done extensive testing on the rated calibers I am sure and they warranty there products for the barrel lengths listed so every time people say "the saker is built like a tank (and it is)" if you are using the Omega as warrantied I wouldn't be worried one bit.

Here is SilencerCo's white paper on barrel length restrictions for the different suppressors. I say if you don't have anything shorter then the Omega will allow you to shoot it on you are good to go.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/com.silencerco ... ctions.pdf

P.S. Some great pics you got there. I do some photography myself but don't like the fact that I can't just upload pics onto the page I have to host them somewhere else so I don't bother posting pics.

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Re: One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

Post by Historian » Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:07 am

Photoman12001, the effortless quality, lighting, and presentation of you photographs are
worthy of the standard set in the 1960's by the German Large Format
Magazine GrossBild. At that time I would have had to use my SINAR P
and tedious hours in the dark room to get comparable results.

Bravo, Sir. Thank your for the visual treat.

In particular your S&W 41 with the Clark Barrel was compelling.

With a Ray-Vin Bully SS Matt Barrel it is even more eye-candy.


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Re: One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

Post by LawBob » Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:44 pm

quiettime wrote:
photoman12001 wrote:...I don't shoot centerfire rifle enough to justify two...
Well that changes things a little...given this I'd lean a little more toward the Omega. With durability listed as your top priority it sounded like you shoot a lot.

Either way, both great cans, can't really go wrong

If durability is a top concern, no question the saker is the better option. The omega is their cheaper construction 762 can.

Moreover, you have more mounting options w saker. It's likely you can use it on whatever 556 can's mount with a change of the maad mount. (Yhm, AAC, swr or trifecta)

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Re: One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

Post by Liver » Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:16 pm

I want with Saker 762 because it can handle 7.62x39 out of a 7.5 barrel on full auto. I have the email from Silencer Co.

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Re: One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

Post by MJF1911 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:04 pm

I really like the Omega and recommend it to a lot of people, but if durability is No. 1 on your list the Saker is the choice.
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Re: One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

Post by photoman12001 » Fri Mar 04, 2016 12:33 am

I actually got to handle them side-by-side yesterday. It didn't help me at all and really left me more conflicted. The Saker had the QD mount installed while the Omega had direct thread and the Saker was hefty. I'm still waiting for the LEO/military discount units to arrive though. Hopefully the shop will mount the install the QD mount on the Omega so I can get a real comparison for weight. The Omega seems like a really cool unit though. No progress in a decision......

I keep going back and forth on it. I'm seriously starting to think that if they don't come in at the same time that I'll just get whichever arrives at the dealer first.

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Re: One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

Post by rimshaker » Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:06 am

Fairly big difference between QD and DT mounts, in both length and weight.
You definitely have to compare a Saker and Omega using the same mounts to have a better idea.

And if possible at your dealer, try out both the MAAD and ASR mounts on a rifle. You will clearly see how the MAAD system is better and more versatile.

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Re: One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

Post by photoman12001 » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:02 pm

I found another local dealer with cans in stock. They claimed to be the largest SilencerCo SPEQ dealer in the country and have SPEQ Omegas ready to sell. They said they could easily get a Saker serial number to start the process. I got to compare the Omega and Saker side-by-side with QD mounts installed. The weight difference is still pretty big, even with the Omega anchor brake installed. Quoted prices there were $825 for the Omega and $1015 for the Saker. After handling them tonight I am starting to consider the Omega more seriously. I'm planning to return tomorrow to make a move.

They stated they thought it was possible for the manufacturer to destroy a suppressor and replace it with a unit having the same serial number for a warranty issue. That would alleviate a lot of my concern about the Omega's construction. Can anyone verify whether this is true or false?

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Re: One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

Post by Tony M. » Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:54 pm

photoman12001 wrote: They stated they thought it was possible for the manufacturer to destroy a suppressor and replace it with a unit having the same serial number for a warranty issue. That would alleviate a lot of my concern about the Omega's construction. Can anyone verify whether this is true or false?
No, they cannot destroy and replace. They can replace with a new can, but you'll need to go through the F4 process and pay the tax agin.

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Re: One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

Post by photoman12001 » Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:05 am

Tony M. wrote:
photoman12001 wrote: They stated they thought it was possible for the manufacturer to destroy a suppressor and replace it with a unit having the same serial number for a warranty issue. That would alleviate a lot of my concern about the Omega's construction. Can anyone verify whether this is true or false?
No, they cannot destroy and replace. They can replace with a new can, but you'll need to go through the F4 process and pay the tax agin.
I knew that was too good to be true.

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Re: One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

Post by photoman12001 » Sun Mar 06, 2016 5:03 pm

Done. Went with the Saker. It just felt right.
Now the wait...

I'll say that one of the things that sold me on the Saker was attach/detaching it from the rifle. I preferred that to the ASR which I had messed with before. I don't know if one is really better than the other but I preferred the MADD in the shop. Hopefully I don't run into the sticking issues I've heard about with the MADD mount.

I had to restrain myself from buying this .50 caliber suppressed rifle while I was in there. That's a 10/22 next to it.

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Re: One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

Post by thecameraman79 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:41 am

I was really hoping you were going to say that's your Barrett with the QDL suppressor because I was going to ask what you thought of it. I'm a month into my check being cashed for my QDL for my M99 and there isn't a lot of information out there about them.
photoman12001 wrote:Done. Went with the Saker. It just felt right.
Now the wait...

I'll say that one of the things that sold me on the Saker was attach/detaching it from the rifle. I preferred that to the ASR which I had messed with before. I don't know if one is really better than the other but I preferred the MADD in the shop. Hopefully I don't run into the sticking issues I've heard about with the MADD mount.

I had to restrain myself from buying this .50 caliber suppressed rifle while I was in there. That's a 10/22 next to it.

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Re: One and Only 7.62 Suppressor: Saker or Omega

Post by photoman12001 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:45 pm

thecameraman79 wrote:I was really hoping you were going to say that's your Barrett with the QDL suppressor because I was going to ask what you thought of it. I'm a month into my check being cashed for my QDL for my M99 and there isn't a lot of information out there about them.
photoman12001 wrote:Done. Went with the Saker. It just felt right.
Now the wait...

I'll say that one of the things that sold me on the Saker was attach/detaching it from the rifle. I preferred that to the ASR which I had messed with before. I don't know if one is really better than the other but I preferred the MADD in the shop. Hopefully I don't run into the sticking issues I've heard about with the MADD mount.

I had to restrain myself from buying this .50 caliber suppressed rifle while I was in there. That's a 10/22 next to it.
Sorry to disappoint. I'll bet there's not much info out there on that one. The market has to be pretty small. Hopefully you'll educate us with some demo videos.

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