What is the quietest suppressed firearm?

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What is the quietest suppressed firearm?

Post by mr45auto » Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:55 am

Just curious what it THE quietest suppressed firearm available from anybody? My WAG ( wild assed guess ) would be an integral 77/22 bolt gun firing a subsonic. I'd be looking for a practical round, so the colibri is out. One suitable for small game would be preferable. Is a .22 the way to go or are there any pistol or rifle calibers that can be as quiet?

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Post by Tugnut » Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:29 am

Good guess.

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Post by pokey » Sat Jun 11, 2005 9:04 am

Just food for thought. Suppressed weapons are illegal to hunt with in many states. I dont' know about where you are, but you might want to check first.

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Post by mr45auto » Sat Jun 11, 2005 12:34 pm

I'm in Oregon, I havent found anything about it in the regs. Next time I run into a trooper when I'm up shooting I'll ask them about it since they enforce game laws.

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Post by pokey » Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:20 pm

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/ODFWhtml/Inf ... irearm.pdf

I found this page and it didn't say anything about suppressors. I'm in GA and work for Game and Fish and we have a law against hunting with suppressors. I think it is intended to make it harder for folks to poach without detection, but I would be all for repealing this law is they asked me. I don't suppose that is likely, though.

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Post by renegade » Sat Jun 11, 2005 5:29 pm

You can hunt non-game animals with any legal firearm ( MG, Silencer, etc) in Texas.

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Re: What is the quietest suppressed firearm?

Post by germansilencer » Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:08 am

mr45auto wrote:Just curious what it THE quietest suppressed firearm available from anybody? My WAG ( wild assed guess ) would be an integral 77/22 bolt gun firing a subsonic. I'd be looking for a practical round, so the colibri is out. One suitable for small game would be preferable. Is a .22 the way to go or are there any pistol or rifle calibers that can be as quiet?
The quietest firearms are captive piston ammo arms from russia. The next one are Kitzmann-silenced 22s. Then there is a big gap, and afterwards comes the rest of silenced weaponry.
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Post by delta9mda » Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:43 pm

what about the kac r squared?

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Re: What is the quietest suppressed firearm?

Post by #93 » Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:38 pm


The quietest firearms are captive piston ammo arms from russia. The next one are Kitzmann-silenced 22s. Then there is a big gap, and afterwards comes the rest of silenced weaponry.
Can you elaborate on the Kitzmann suppressed 22s. I did a brief Goggle search and did not find anything usefull.

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Post by caver101 » Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:38 pm

pokey wrote:http://www.dfw.state.or.us/ODFWhtml/Inf ... irearm.pdf

I found this page and it didn't say anything about suppressors. I'm in GA and work for Game and Fish and we have a law against hunting with suppressors. I think it is intended to make it harder for folks to poach without detection, but I would be all for repealing this law is they asked me. I don't suppose that is likely, though.
Sorry to hijack, BUT I am from GA also and there are several guys from SnipersHide and AR15.com that are gonna TRY to see what we can do. From my understnding the next DNR meeting will not be untill 2007! What part of the state are you from? I know several DNR guys. I am in the NW corner.

More info on the Kitzmann please.

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Post by BookHound » Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:54 pm

caver101, pokey and I have already spoken. He's on board with our efforts and we're going to try some "things" within the next few months to further our agenda. I'll talk to you more on Saturday.

germansilencer, as others have already asked, got any more info for us? Thanks!

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Post by Suputin » Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:25 pm

I'm in GA and work for Game and Fish and we have a law against hunting with suppressors. I think it is intended to make it harder for folks to poach without detection
Well seeing as poaching is NOT hunting, that is a pretty stupid reason for such a law. Basically that is a law against breaking another law. :roll:

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Post by pokey » Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:04 pm

Well seeing as poaching is NOT hunting, that is a pretty stupid reason for such a law. Basically that is a law against breaking another law.
Well, it doesn't make much sense. I don't know what if anything precipitated this law, but I might have to do some research. I do know that it is extremely rare that it is charged.

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Post by Dan » Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:28 pm

I sure would like to see the law changed in GA.

I carry a suppresed rifle around to shoot coyotes, but suspect that fish and game would think that I was obviously a poacher.

Let me know if I could be of any help.

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Kitzmann silenced 22s

Post by Zephyr » Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:04 pm

germansilencer,

Can you provide more info on the Kitzmann silenced 22s please?


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Post by 1911pilot » Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:17 pm

Me too! Whats a Kitzmann silenced 22? It sounds neat.

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Post by gunny50 » Fri Nov 25, 2016 8:24 pm

1911pilot wrote:Me too! Whats a Kitzmann silenced 22? It sounds neat.
I know its antique but wanted tos update it.

Kitzman was a German Gunsmith that experimented a lot with Silencers.
http://www.collectible-arms.de/upload/a ... ann_SD.pdf
He made several super slim silencers that where almost non visible as the where fitted inside the original barrels.

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Post by Jimmy_Jr » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:22 pm

mr45auto wrote:I'm in Oregon, I havent found anything about it in the regs. Next time I run into a trooper when I'm up shooting I'll ask them about it since they enforce game laws.
I'm in Oregon, too. There's nothing on the books prohibiting hunting with suppressors. You could ask a State Trooper or Game Warden, but most of them seem to be ignorant of relevant laws; they have legal counsel within their respective departments to answer the hard questions.

As for quiet combinations...

I don't know if anyone still makes a replica or similar, but the DeLisle Carbine was one of the best. 303 British Enfield converted to 45ACP, 7" barrel and integral suppressor, and a mag block to use 1911 magazine.

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Re: What is the quietest suppressed firearm?

Post by Sdustin » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:52 am

Thankfully the law against hunting with silencers has been changed in GA, prior to that the way the regulations read you could hunt with a belt fed machine gun but not a single shot with a silencer. There is still no capacity limit for deer and now you can use the can.
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Re: What is the quietest suppressed firearm?

Post by Todd Is » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:14 pm

You are correct that a integrally suppressed bolt .22 rimfire LR is by far the quietest of configurations. Of course it doesn't have to be brand specific. I had a Sears Roebuck single action rifle that imo, exceeded hollywood quiet.

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Re: What is the quietest suppressed firearm?

Post by doubloon » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:51 pm

Todd Is wrote:... imo, exceeded hollywood quiet.
Airguns hover around the 95-100 dB range

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117-122 -- stupid quiet
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100-104 -- is that an air gun or did you forget to load it?
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Re: What is the quietest suppressed firearm?

Post by Todd Is » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:21 am

Airguns was where I got my start in my early teens, I spent many a covert operations knocking off starlings in n around barn lots :lol: Yea...a suppressed air rifle is uber quiet.

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Re: What is the quietest suppressed firearm?

Post by doubloon » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:44 am

Todd Is wrote:Airguns was where I got my start in my early teens, I spent many a covert operations knocking off starlings in n around barn lots :lol: Yea...a suppressed air rifle is uber quiet.
Some of the smaller .177s can dip down into the lower 90s (barely into the upper 80s), unsuppressed PCPs are loud as f*k.

I have a .177 Marauder that I thought was broken the first time I fired it, never heard anything but the hammer.

The lowest number I've seen released by a reputable manufacturer for a firearm is 109dB for a 22 suppressor. Jesse James claimed to be in the 70s but he's just full of sh*t.

http://www.straightshooters.com/decibel ... rguns.html

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Re: What is the quietest suppressed firearm?

Post by Todd Is » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:07 pm

Great link...lots of interesting info......looks like its possible to thread the eye of a needle with one of those tackdrivers.

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Re: What is the quietest suppressed firearm?

Post by doubloon » Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:47 am

Pretty close.

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