Silenced shotguns

germansilencer · Post by **germansilencer** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:56 am

Any experiences with silenced shotguns in 12 guage?

Hush · Post by **Hush** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:54 pm

How about .410? I worked for major firearms co. many years ago and someone in r&d was playing with one which I fired and consisted of a steel tube about 2 inches dia. for the full length of the barrel with a few flat baffles.
It wasn't that quiet and would have benefited from some type of packing such as brass wool or screening I believe.

Kevin/AAC · Post by **Kevin/AAC** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:19 pm

I have shot suppressed shotguns in 12ga., 20ga., and .410. Some were quiet, some were not, but all were older technology. I shot a 20ga., that fired custom 4oz. (subsonic) slugs. All of the units that I have fired required disassembly for removing the wads, after firing numerous rounds. It was very quiet and hit like a truck. I believe that suppressing a shotgun could be done effectively, but it will take a lot of R&D.

A large shotgun maker contacted us recently to see if we had suppressed shotguns in the past, and asked if we had any ideas. They asked about 12ga. I will let you know if do any work with them and the results.

germansilencer · Post by **germansilencer** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:53 am

I silenced one of my 410 shotguns a few years ago with a muzzle can. With Eley fourlongs, a very quiet (louder than a 22 silenced but quiter than a good silenced 9 P) an efficient little toy. Silencing of a smallbore gun as 410 is not too difficult.

Also, I silenced 12 gauge Shotguns in the past. But they were not really quiet. So, I am searching for new principles or baffles - perforated tubes, wool/felt packages an flat or cone baffles are not the cutting edge of technology. Also a test according to a US patent for silenced shotgun proved the design to be inferior to old tube and wool technology ...

Tugnut · Post by **Tugnut** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:25 am

I remember seeing somewhere a guy that was building what was called the 'quiet shotgun', which was basically a shotgun with a 5 foot barrel or some such.

Post by **silencertalk** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:13 am

http://www.dillerdesign.com/quietgun/

It is very sad what the laws force us to resort to.

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Par ... AND+diller

"said vents being constructed and arranged to minimize report of said firearm following discharge. "

This makes it a feature designed to reduce the report of a firearm. i.e. a silencer.

His patent application says:

"[0003] Federal and State regulations require that gasses vented from the barrel of a firearm following discharge be vented directly into the atmosphere. Silencers which vent gasses from the barrel into a chamber which in turn acts as a muffler are prohibited. Federal law also prohibits barrels of firearms to be less than a specified length to prevent use of the firearm as a concealed weapon. There exists no known Federal or State regulation limiting the maximum length of the barrel of a conventional type of firearm such as a shotgun or a rifle. An elongate gun barrel which includes vents for controller discharge of gasses to reduce report therefore appears to be permissible pursuant to Federal and State law. "

However I wonder if that is correct. The law says:

"The terms ''firearm silencer'' and ''firearm muffler'' mean
any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a
portable firearm"

I also wonder if the holes (the holes are the silencer) help at all. I think it might be quieter without any holes and more legal.

"This concept is being field tested for deer removal by government agencies in Minnesota."

Hush · Post by **Hush** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:40 pm

[img]http://www.saddleryandgunroom.co.uk/ima ... er-kit.jpg

Try the above link showing the Hushpower kit for a Mossberg shotgun, it looks a little muzzle heavy.[/img]

osprey21 · Post by **osprey21** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:32 pm

germansilencer · Post by **germansilencer** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:38 am

Cool!
That is the way a shotgun has too look like!
Is this one of the hushpower kits?
I think of importin one of these to germany, but do not know about the performance?

How does this can work? How "Quiet" is it approximately?

Kevin/AAC · Post by **Kevin/AAC** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:00 am

Someone posted this for sale about a year ago. They said it wasn't quiet, at all.

3 weelin geezer · Post by **3 weelin geezer** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:26 am

Hey!! I know that guy even with those red geordie laforge sunglasses! I'd recognize that hat anywhere.

I would blur the face myself.

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