Suppressor Baffles..........
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Suppressor Baffles..........
Some one have pictures of the diferent baffles designs, (K,S,M, Omega, others) and wich one is most efective, eficient, less FRP?????
hahahaha
Now really, we can't make it too easy for "Joe Blow" to make these in his garage!!!!
But, Yes, I would like to SEE, in one place, a compairison,
kind of like the "Vollmer Sear Round-up"
But, Yes, I would like to SEE, in one place, a compairison,
kind of like the "Vollmer Sear Round-up"
Pat
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Since you are in a SHARING mood,
(and most of of have seen the TI stuff)
have you torn apart an HK MARK 23 / USP TACTICAL can?
Saw the great pics of the AK can you found,
but have always been interested in seeing the insides of German Technology.
I was SHOCKED to see what they did on this SD:
(and most of of have seen the TI stuff)
have you torn apart an HK MARK 23 / USP TACTICAL can?
Saw the great pics of the AK can you found,
but have always been interested in seeing the insides of German Technology.
I was SHOCKED to see what they did on this SD:
Pat
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Pat, I agree, usually Germans tend to overengineer, but that baffle stack is efficient and above all, very cheap.
I think the future of baffles is computer modeling, analyzing gas flow and thermodynamics with some serious computing horsepower, similar to the way NASA and aero enginers model flow over aircraft. I wonder if any suppressor manufacturers are doing this yet.
The problem then becomes production. If the computer creates a ridiculously complex baffle system, then the cost of that last decibel or two becomes untenable.
I think a viable way to make an efficient baffle might be the use of sand casting. You can create assymetric baffles of great complexity, cast the stack in aluminum, or wax cast in steel, bore it through, drop it in a tube, and have great suppression.
Just some rambling thoughts!
I think the future of baffles is computer modeling, analyzing gas flow and thermodynamics with some serious computing horsepower, similar to the way NASA and aero enginers model flow over aircraft. I wonder if any suppressor manufacturers are doing this yet.
The problem then becomes production. If the computer creates a ridiculously complex baffle system, then the cost of that last decibel or two becomes untenable.
I think a viable way to make an efficient baffle might be the use of sand casting. You can create assymetric baffles of great complexity, cast the stack in aluminum, or wax cast in steel, bore it through, drop it in a tube, and have great suppression.
Just some rambling thoughts!
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I know for a fact that some suppressor makers are using computational fluid dynamics. However I don't think they expect the computer to tell them what shape baffle to use, but rather try various shapes and the computer shows them the flow -- and then they can decide if they think that baffle design is doing what they expected.
Knights casts some of their baffles. It is a good thing.
Knights casts some of their baffles. It is a good thing.
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Echo7, here is the link to the pictures you emailed me:Echo7 wrote:Thanks for the reply...but how do I attach pics??[/img]
http://www.pcarms.com/images/cans/ASE_Jet.jpg
http://www.pcarms.com/images/cans/Brugg ... encer2.jpg
http://www.pcarms.com/images/cans/KAC_Baffle.jpg
http://www.pcarms.com/images/cans/SILENCER_KIT.jpg
http://www.pcarms.com/images/cans/Slant ... affles.jpg
I'll post the 1st two, but I want you to TRY to do the others yourself:
Just click on Img,
then paste the above link,
then close the tag by hitting the Img*
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PCArms wrote:Echo7, here is the link to the pictures you emailed me:Echo7 wrote:Thanks for the reply...but how do I attach pics??[/img]
http://www.pcarms.com/images/cans/ASE_Jet.jpg
This is the silencer design being built domestically by Sabre Defence. It looks really interesting, I bet it offers good performance.
http://www.pcarms.com/images/cans/Brugg ... encer2.jpg
We have one of these in 9mm. It is the first B&T Impuls IIa. It is a bad translation of the Qual-A-Tech silencer, designed by Doug Olsen. It was originally built by Qual-A-Tech, then AWC, and later by H&K. The three domestic versions are very quiet. The B&T version is terrible. It is extremely loud. I will send to Robert for testing.
http://www.pcarms.com/images/cans/KAC_Baffle.jpg
I really admire this design. It is nearly 15 years old and still tough to beat. It is the basis for all of the KAC silencers, not to mention B&T Impuls IIa.
http://www.pcarms.com/images/cans/SILENCER_KIT.jpg
This is almost a direct copy of the 1921 Maxim baffle.
http://www.pcarms.com/images/cans/Slant ... affles.jpg
I'll post the 1st two, but I want you to TRY to do the others yourself:
Just click on Img,
then paste the above link,
then close the tag by hitting the Img*
Thanks for posting the pictures. I have never seen the last two.