Offshore machine work

tuckerrnr1 · Post by **tuckerrnr1** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:58 am

Can any part of a silencer be made over seas and imported as an unfinished part or must all components be made in the US?

joshrunkle35 · Post by **joshrunkle35** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:07 am

Unfinished part? So, you are calling it a silencer part, or you aren't calling it a silencer part?

BWT · Post by **BWT** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:04 am

I think he means like tubes, or how complete can a baffle be before it's considered a baffle legally, etc.

tuckerrnr1 · Post by **tuckerrnr1** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:04 am

BWT, you are correct.

Artful · Post by **Artful** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:28 am

Hey when you order those Aluminum shotglasses, you want to add half a dozen for me

tuckerrnr1 wrote:Can any part of a silencer be made over seas and imported? NO, unless imported for .GOV or .MIL or Dealer sample for same.

tuckerrnr1 wrote:All components must be made in the US? Correcct, for private party ownership is my understanding

Now what you make those components out of can come from any source IE Japanese blank rod, Canadian parts for a motor, Tubing from Europe - it wouldn't matter as long as it's not a Silencer part when imported and I would assume (you know what that means) that it has to be like firearms parts/forgings of receivers etc. and only be 80% complete.

LavaRed · Post by **LavaRed** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:43 am

I would expect it not to be a silencer part, i.e., not useable in a silencer, as long as no bore hole is drilled through.

That being said, maybe constructive intent could come into play?

MisterWilson · Post by **MisterWilson** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:59 am

Offhand, my first instinct is that ITAR regulations are going to F--k you in the ass.

"So what you're saying is that you sent small arms technology outside of the country without clearing it through the State Department?"

I could be wrong, but it'd be enough to make me be very cautious, as even just drawings fall under restriction IIRC.

Post by **silencertalk** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:16 pm

Anything is possible. It just may need an import permit.

LavaRed · Post by **LavaRed** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:20 pm

MisterWilson wrote:Offhand, my first instinct is that ITAR regulations are going to F--k you in the ass.

"So what you're saying is that you sent small arms technology outside of the country without clearing it through the State Department?"

I could be wrong, but it'd be enough to make me be very cautious, as even just drawings fall under restriction IIRC.

Is this true? So I couldn't legally buy or sell detailed suppressor designs over the internet?

There goes my ambition to become a successful suppressor designer.

MisterWilson · Post by **MisterWilson** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:41 pm

I didn't say you couldn't, only that I believe that there is likely some red tape involved to do it from this side of the free world.

LavaRed · Post by **LavaRed** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:46 pm

MisterWilson wrote:I didn't say you couldn't, only that I believe that there is likely some red tape involved to do it from this side of the free world.

I know, but it makes me feel bad that I have been studying American suppressor technology through the Internet over the years, without knowing I needed to acquire a permit to do so.
I guess I will have to apply for one or something, and hope they don't get too mad at me for having downloaded stuff without previously having a permit.

MisterWilson · Post by **MisterWilson** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:26 pm

Why would American laws require you to get a permit? I don't believe that you would have any issues unless you were selling finished suppressors, in which case there would probably only be a bit of importation paperwork (on this side, don't know what you'd need in Guat-land).

LavaRed · Post by **LavaRed** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:14 pm

MisterWilson wrote:Why would American laws require you to get a permit? I don't believe that you would have any issues unless you were selling finished suppressors, in which case there would probably only be a bit of importation paperwork (on this side, don't know what you'd need in Guat-land).

Oh cool. I'm relieved. I guess here I'd need to get established as a manufacturer, I had a copy of the laws on that somewhere, for when I need it...

chingon · Post by **chingon** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:06 pm

What exactly is the deal with the 80% ?
http://www.rh-custom.net/index.php?cPat ... cbc4bd5c6a

Selectedmarksman · Post by **Selectedmarksman** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:11 pm

The rule I stick by is: "If you have to ask, the ATF will F--k you over somehow."

Diomed · Post by **Diomed** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:55 am

chingon wrote:What exactly is the deal with the 80% ?
http://www.rh-custom.net/index.php?cPat ... cbc4bd5c6a

Legally there's no such thing as 80%.

In terms of importation, probably not. There's a rule on forgings and castings that would make it problematic.

But then again, this is the world of imports. I spent five excruciating hours last week listening to one of ATF's import examiners lecture on how the process works, and the take home lesson was "this s--t does not make sense, and it will not make sense, so don't bother trying".