General silencer discussion. If you want to talk about a specific silenced rifle or pistol, it is best to do that in the rifle or pistol section for that brand.
JohnDS wrote:garandman & Sid Post. I'm not saying the Mite is a bad can - but comparatively there are others that are better, and not just by 6db. This is a hind site thread. I have 2 mites, 2 outback II's and a Spectre. Of the 5 cans I have, knowing the money I spent - I could have had 3 spectres for the price of the 5 cans I bought and been happier. Hell, I would have liked to have a SilencerCo Sparrow instead of 2 mites. I can only shoot 1 gun at a time anyways. That's all I'm saying.
Another one I wanted to add - when I bought multiple cans I waited until everything came in to send in 1 package to the ATF. Never again - send the Form 4's as the items arrive from now on.
I will.
The mite SUCKS!!!
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -Goethe
JohnInNH wrote:CZ bolt ... It always extracts and always feeds. It also hits the primers a LOT harder.
The 10/22 with a silencer gets crap in the rotary magazines and they can cause problems and hang up and not feed correctly. Extracting is iffy as is ignition. They are not the most dependable rifles. When they work right they are a blast. But a bolt is just so much more reliable and quieter too. A few people I know prefer their bolt .22 with their silencers than the 10/22's
I have a nice KIDD trigger and a comfortable thumb hole stock on my 10/22, a Hogue and Tac Sol barrels If it ran right I would really love it. It is a love hate affair. I may get an improved steel receiver with a better bolt spring system and build one on that instead of the POS Rugar soft aluminum receiver.
The factory head space is way off, and I have not yet resolved my bad firing pin strikes. (weak) I replaced the firing "pin" with a TI aftermarket one which helped a little but even with the stock trigger assembly ignition is weak. the KIDd hit a little harder, but they are not hard enough.
The bolt NEVER has extraction problems as the CZ has a dual extractor bolt system.
Don't get me wrong a 10/22's are a lot of fun and accurate. I just would not bet my life on one. The CZ is amazing quality. Beautiful wood.. nice craftsmanship. I have the one with the set trigger. IT is a little awkward as the trigger is farther forward than I like.
I cut my CZ down to 16.25" the thread protector is made from a piece of the barrel so it's invisible.
They do make a 10 round magazine for it.
+1,000,000.
Have a 10/22, and like most folks, spent a small fortune on after market barrel, stocks, Volquartsen trigger, extractor, radiusing the bolt but HATE it as a suppressor host. Damn rotary magazine fills up with crud in a hurry. Bought a used Savage MKII at a pawn shop for $80, and is already shooting better than the heavily modified 10/22. Just need to get it threaded.
Rou wrote:Why all the comments about a 308 can over a 223 can? I was thinking of doing a cyclone or 762sd, but I only have 223/556 ar's with only the possibility of a future AR10. So I'm going with the M42K. Am I going to be posting how much I regret this a few months from now?
Only if you buy the .308 host a few months from now
I would have passed on the AWC Amphibian and bought a Gemtech LDES first. I wanted a mini-can, didn't get one until much later. Which is a good general lesson....buy what you really want.
Mike M. wrote:I would have passed on the AWC Amphibian and bought a Gemtech LDES first. I wanted a mini-can, didn't get one until much later. Which is a good general lesson....buy what you really want.
Couldn't have said it better myself. If its expensive, wait until you can buy it, buying what you can afford and not what you want leaves you still wanting in the end.
Mike M. wrote:I would have passed on the AWC Amphibian and bought a Gemtech LDES first. I wanted a mini-can, didn't get one until much later. Which is a good general lesson....buy what you really want.
Couldn't have said it better myself. If its expensive, wait until you can buy it, buying what you can afford and not what you want leaves you still wanting in the end.
AWC Amphibian is this not a good purchase?
Sometimes your the pigeon and sometimes your the statue.
I enjoy competing with firearms, and training with firearms to improve my ability to compete and to defend myself and my family. I have no interest in "shooting" or simply owning guns just to own them. Most "shooters" and "gun owners" have trouble understanding this distinction. I am not a "shooter" and I am not a "collector". I buy guns, and accessories for guns, that have a purpose in my greater interest, not as the endpoint in themselves. I see guns the same way I see a hammer, a drill, or a car: as a tool or a means to an end, not as the end itself. Suppressors are of zero use to me in this regard.
"...defend myself and my family." Wouldn't it be helpful if the enemy whom you are defending yourself and your family from had a harder time pin-pointing your location? Wouldn't it be preferable to practice with the can so you are used to the weight in order to mask your location should you actually need to? Furthermore, would you not become more familiar with the change in recoil, cyclic rate, maintenance required, etc...? Carbines swing around corners differently with cans on them. Muscle memory for this could be gained by drilling in the home with a can attached to your rifle. Finally, a can serves to preserve communication. Unless you are planning on confronting your enemy as a solo operation, I do believe it would be much easier to hear your buddy/friend/fellow "shooter" without a severe case of tinnitus.
I would've listened to the first hint and waited for the 51T AAC 762SD instead of purchasing the 18T version. But first it was "yes, changing over.. " Then it was "no, not changing over.." only to change it over. It was hard to figure out which way to go.
Not get 7K Winclean/BEB 9mm ammo that is sand blasting my baffles. I need to sell it and replace it with some other ammo that will not destroy my silencers.
AAC should have a warning about this ammo since their baffles can not be replaced.
Long distance, the next best thing to being there!
Mike M. wrote:I would have passed on the AWC Amphibian and bought a Gemtech LDES first. I wanted a mini-can, didn't get one until much later. Which is a good general lesson....buy what you really want.
Couldn't have said it better myself. If its expensive, wait until you can buy it, buying what you can afford and not what you want leaves you still wanting in the end.
AWC Amphibian is this not a good purchase?
Not for my purposes. I wanted a can for a .22 pocket pistol - since I had a Walther PPK/S in that caliber.
The Amphibian's suppressor portion is outstanding. Paulson reported it at 40dB+ of suppression, and I believe it. But mounting it on a Ruger Mk II is putting Pirelli tires on a Yugo. The trigger is most unimpressive. I firmly believe that if High Standard (the old company with the high quality) had survived into the 1990s, the whole fad for suppressed Rugers would never have happened.
But I do think the Amphibian is one of the best executions of the integrally suppressed Ruger concept.
I had the barrel cut to 4" and the sight moved back. Silencer= AAC Prodigy soon to be a SS Sparrow so I can shoot more w/o having to clean it. The Prodigy does work well. A shot of H2O from a nose spray bottle eliminates the LOUD FRP. Nice accurate pistol with probably the BEST trigger I have ever had on a .22.
With Winchester Dynapoint ammo is it subsonic (thanks to the 4" barrel) and functions VERY well.
Long distance, the next best thing to being there!
I enjoy competing with firearms, and training with firearms to improve my ability to compete and to defend myself and my family. I have no interest in "shooting" or simply owning guns just to own them. Most "shooters" and "gun owners" have trouble understanding this distinction. I am not a "shooter" and I am not a "collector". I buy guns, and accessories for guns, that have a purpose in my greater interest, not as the endpoint in themselves. I see guns the same way I see a hammer, a drill, or a car: as a tool or a means to an end, not as the end itself. Suppressors are of zero use to me in this regard.
"...defend myself and my family." Wouldn't it be helpful if the enemy whom you are defending yourself and your family from had a harder time pin-pointing your location? Wouldn't it be preferable to practice with the can so you are used to the weight in order to mask your location should you actually need to? Furthermore, would you not become more familiar with the change in recoil, cyclic rate, maintenance required, etc...? Carbines swing around corners differently with cans on them. Muscle memory for this could be gained by drilling in the home with a can attached to your rifle. Finally, a can serves to preserve communication. Unless you are planning on confronting your enemy as a solo operation, I do believe it would be much easier to hear your buddy/friend/fellow "shooter" without a severe case of tinnitus.
The VAST majority of NFA owners would be FAR better off spending the price of their toys on training and practice ammo than they would on some concern over the noise generated from the gun.
I don't know about you, but the "enemy" will have a hell of a lot harder time "pinpointing my location" with 2 to the brain than the NFA owner blasting away and not hitting the intended target, can or no can.
rob_s wrote:The VAST majority of NFA owners would be FAR better off spending the price of their toys on training and practice ammo than they would on some concern over the noise generated from the gun.
The VAST majority of NFA owners would be FAR better off spending the price of their toys on training and practice ammo than they would on some concern over the noise generated from the gun.
I don't know about you, but the "enemy" will have a hell of a lot harder time "pinpointing my location" with 2 to the brain than the NFA owner blasting away and not hitting the intended target, can or no can.