Have you seen this ACR fans?

bigbigpig · Post by **bigbigpig** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:09 pm

I'd prefer a barrel that doesn't have an M203 cut. That's about where I'd like to cut the barrel. If the barrel was cut that far down would it interfere with the operation of the gun?

RR · Post by RR » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:12 pm

este wrote:
I see the pics of the longer forearm and it does look better, but I still think 16" is too much. Espescially with the suppressor mounted. I think I just prefer little exposed barrel. 12 or 14.5" for me.

I agree and I like the handguard with removable rails on this 14.5" better than the solid one.

Armorer-at-Law · Post by **Armorer-at-Law** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:52 pm

I thought Remington was making it now.

Companies are related. Both owned by Freedom Group (of Cerberus).

ETA: Never mind.

tmix · Post by **tmix** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:54 pm

I like the longer fore end too.

My big hope is that the price isn't anywhere near what FN wants for a SCAR.

Looks promising...I hope it performs well.

tReznr · Post by **tReznr** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:21 pm

este wrote:
God damn I want a 300 Whisper ACR. I like the AR but it doesn't ever really break down because of the recoil buffer.

So has that been announced? Or just on a wish list of yours?

continuity · Post by **continuity** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:23 pm

Is SN 00000 viable, I mean really!!!!!!!

The Good Doctor · Post by **The Good Doctor** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:45 pm

RR wrote:
este wrote:
I see the pics of the longer forearm and it does look better, but I still think 16" is too much. Espescially with the suppressor mounted. I think I just prefer little exposed barrel. 12 or 14.5" for me.
I agree and I like the handguard with removable rails on this 14.5" better than the solid one.

I would be extremely happy with this setup. As far as I am concerened they can pin that Blackout right there and I can run my M4-2000 the day the gun arrives!

Koro · Post by **Koro** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:05 pm

That looks more like a 12.5" barrel to me.

RR · Post by RR » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:24 pm

The Good Doctor wrote:
I would be extremely happy with this setup. As far as I am concerened they can pin that Blackout right there and I can run my M4-2000 the day the gun arrives!

Same here.

RR · Post by RR » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:27 pm

Koro wrote:That looks more like a 12.5" barrel to me.

That's what I thought but according to JasonAAC it's a 14.5" barrel.

JasonAAC wrote:
RR wrote:What's the barrel length of the one in the 2nd pic?
14.5" mid-length gas

Post by **silencertalk** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:37 pm

The non sidefolder stock is good for ban states.

JasonAAC · Post by **JasonAAC** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:38 pm

Koro wrote:That looks more like a 12.5" barrel to me.

As far as I know from using the gun on multiple occasions, they are using a carbine-length gas system on the 10" guns and a mid-length system on the 14.5 and 16" guns. That is why the front end looks too short to be 14.5.

strobro32 · Post by **strobro32** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:47 pm

That thing looks sexier than any HK any day!

That should make the Krauts sour. You have my approval.

EDITED1/21/10 after seeing the price.

Bushmuncher can count me out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0Pu-rvFjs

robpiat · Post by **robpiat** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:55 pm

Even if they are the same I would still prefer the remington badge. Not sure why they are playing the branding games. Not sure why they bought Bushmaster other than the Cobb 50 acquisition.

Stickman · Post by **Stickman** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:05 pm

JasonAAC wrote:
Not a cheap knock off- virtually the same, just that Bushmaster is doing the civilian sales (and police) and Rem Defense is doing the MIL sales, fed LE, International LE, etc..

Poor move from a LE standpoint, and from a consumer market as well. There were very easy ways that they could have gone after both markets, which would have made more sense.

The Good Doctor · Post by **The Good Doctor** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:37 pm

Stickman wrote:
JasonAAC wrote:
Not a cheap knock off- virtually the same, just that Bushmaster is doing the civilian sales (and police) and Rem Defense is doing the MIL sales, fed LE, International LE, etc..

Poor move from a LE standpoint, and from a consumer market as well. There were very easy ways that they could have gone after both markets, which would have made more sense.

Most civilians who buy this gun are going to be "gun snobs" and gun snobs don't by Bushmaster. I will, but I'll have to hold my nose.

I love the gun but when I think Bushmaster I think $950 gun not $1,750 (or whatever) gun.

I look forward to purchasing one and plan on having it in time for the Silencer shoot in the fall

este · Post by **este** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:44 pm

tReznr wrote:
este wrote:
God damn I want a 300 Whisper ACR. I like the AR but it doesn't ever really break down because of the recoil buffer.
So has that been announced? Or just on a wish list of yours?

Its a quick change barreled gun. 300 Whisper makes the most sense for quiet shooting. The only thing you would need to do is pop in a new barrel and gas assembly, then load whisper rounds in the mag. No bolt change or anything else needed. I'm sure it will be mere days before someone has a barrel and gas system ready to go for the ACR.

10" whisper barrel please!

BachelorJack · Post by **BachelorJack** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:28 am

I'm expecting the bushmaster version to be just like the bushmaster m4's. Neutered for no real reason. Don't those still ship with AR15 carriers instead of M16 carriers and commerical buffer tubes instead of Mil-Spec ones?

I doubt most of the real selling features will make it over to the bushmaster line. Which is a pitty yet funny if you really think about it.

Maybe someone who actually knows will be able to specifically list the differences.

yarbsea · Post by **yarbsea** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:45 pm

The Good Doctor wrote:
Stickman wrote:
JasonAAC wrote:
Not a cheap knock off- virtually the same, just that Bushmaster is doing the civilian sales (and police) and Rem Defense is doing the MIL sales, fed LE, International LE, etc..

Poor move from a LE standpoint, and from a consumer market as well. There were very easy ways that they could have gone after both markets, which would have made more sense.
Most civilians who buy this gun are going to be "gun snobs" and gun snobs don't by Bushmaster. I will, but I'll have to hold my nose.

I love the gun but when I think Bushmaster I think $950 gun not $1,750 (or whatever) gun.
I look forward to purchasing one and plan on having it in time for the Silencer shoot in the fall

HAHA...you and me both wish.

We all know it's going to be $2700 msrp at LEAST. And probably 8k on gunbroker until the summer when it drops to 5k....so i'll be getting one this time next year.

soohwa · Post by **soohwa** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:50 pm

Interesting read I found from another forum.

http://www.soldiersystems.net/

Robinson Arms Sues Remington, Bushmaster, RRA, and Magpul
January 15th, 2010

Robinson Arms, manufacturers of the XCR have filed suit yesterday in US District Court for Utah against Remington, Bushmaster, Rock River Arms, and Magpul Industries based on alleged infingement of their patent (Multi-caliber ambidextrously controllable firearm #7,596,900) issued 6 October, 2009 and initially filed in August of 2003.

Specifically, the weapons alleged to have violated Robinsonâ€™s patent are the Remington/Bushmaster ACR, Magpul Masada/Massoud, and the RRA LAR-8. All of these weapons feature a magazine release that is manipulated by the trigger finger from within the trigger guard as well as a similar bot hold open device.

Both Bushmaster and Remington are part of the Freedom group, owned by Cerberus Capital Management. So for taking on Freedom Group I give them an â€œEâ€

Fireman1291 · Post by **Fireman1291** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:55 pm

F--k them, that XCR is a POS. If they impede me getting my ACR, so help me!

I hope they tell them to shove it, that thier barrels arent held in by a set screw. What a crock.

Dantheman3660 · Post by **Dantheman3660** » Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:08 am

What happened to the ACR being in just two calibers? I thought it was planeed to to be:
7.62x39
6.5 Varitations
as well as the 5.56 & 6.8?

Dan

rob_s · Post by **rob_s** » Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:18 am

[quote="soohwa"]Interesting read I found from another forum.

http://www.soldiersystems.net/

Robinson Arms Sues Remington, Bushmaster, RRA, and Magpul
January 15th, 2010

Robinson Arms, manufacturers of the XCR have filed suit yesterday in US District Court for Utah against Remington, Bushmaster, Rock River Arms, and Magpul Industries based on alleged infingement of their patent (Multi-caliber ambidextrously controllable firearm #7,596,900) issued 6 October, 2009 and initially filed in August of 2003.

Specifically, the weapons alleged to have violated Robinsonâ€™s patent are the Remington/Bushmaster ACR, Magpul Masada/Massoud, and the RRA LAR-8. All of these weapons feature a magazine release that is manipulated by the trigger finger from within the trigger guard as well as a similar bot hold open device.

Both Bushmaster and Remington are part of the Freedom group, owned by Cerberus Capital Management. So for taking on Freedom Group I give them an â€œEâ€

joshrunkle35 · Post by **joshrunkle35** » Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:05 am

Are the bushmaster ones going to come from the same factory as the remington ones?

este · Post by **este** » Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:06 am

Dantheman3660 wrote:What happened to the ACR being in just two calibers? I thought it was planeed to to be:
7.62x39
6.5 Varitations
as well as the 5.56 & 6.8?

Dan

The 6.5 is a tough one for them. They don't want to use grendel because Alexander arms (like jd jones) is a patenty bitch. And, compared to 6.8, the small 6.5 doesn't make much sense.

It's a modular carrier and quick change barrel. What is stopping them from releasing 7.62r, 22, 9mm, <insert> later? I would guess that since 7.6x39 is missing perhaps they are still in development. If it's going to hold up the release, by all means do it later!

You'll also notice 30AR is also missing and that's remingtons newest speciallty cartridge. Which if I understand it, is a 6.8 that uses a 30 cal bullet (as that dis seem to make sense) statistically in the new cartridge world, it'll flop

Have you seen this ACR fans?

How much will the ACR cost?