We should do them with a stripped gun and velcro so you can customize...goteron wrote:I'm all for pinned over clamped.
Jason, when (notice I said when, not if) you guys make those shirts available, can we get them with a T-1 instead of an eotech?
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oh gosh the apex of tacti~cool! dont forget the pig sticker and laser designatorJasonAAC wrote:We should do them with a stripped gun and velcro so you can customize...goteron wrote:I'm all for pinned over clamped.
Jason, when (notice I said when, not if) you guys make those shirts available, can we get them with a T-1 instead of an eotech?
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And fully welded inconel, a costa signature.saltydecimator wrote:oh gosh the apex of tacti~cool! dont forget the pig sticker and laser designatorJasonAAC wrote:We should do them with a stripped gun and velcro so you can customize...goteron wrote:I'm all for pinned over clamped.
Jason, when (notice I said when, not if) you guys make those shirts available, can we get them with a T-1 instead of an eotech?
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So, does the supersonic 300 BLK have as much of a rainbow trajectory as 7.62x39 or is it flatter? Read the thread, didn't see an answer. Sorry if I missed it.
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It is like 7.62x39 in trajectory. For me, the biggest problem with 7.62x39 is that it could not be made to work in ARs. Eons ago I bought a Colt 7.62x39 AR. A few years ago, I built up a 10 inch AR upper with a Special Weapons lower that took AK mags. I tried it all.
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Ok, thanks. Does the upper come with a standard charging handle or something special to stop gas from getting you in the face? Gas Buster or some such? Also what kind of buffer and spring should people use in the lower for the 9" barrel?
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It comes with a normal charging handle.
An H2 or H3 buffer with a USGI spring. Sort of depends what type of suppressor you have (or none at all). The H2 with and without a 762-SDN-6 is what it was set up for.
An H2 or H3 buffer with a USGI spring. Sort of depends what type of suppressor you have (or none at all). The H2 with and without a 762-SDN-6 is what it was set up for.
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No problems with gas in the face during development then?
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We did not use special charging handles for developmental testing. We used the same ones that it ships with. There were special Remington tester guys who did the shooting and documentation of the performance, and I did not ask them that.
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OK, thanks.
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Will 221Fireball brass work like it does for the Whisper/Fireball?
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Yes, you can convert 221 brass to 300 AAC BLACKOUT.
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Having spent a week behind a 9" 300 BLK gun in semi, burst and full, most of the time with a 762-SDN-6, I can definitely say these do not have anything like the blowback you can get with 5.56 suppressed SBRs. I don't remember getting gassed at all.DemonLlama wrote:Ok, thanks. Does the upper come with a standard charging handle or something special to stop gas from getting you in the face? Gas Buster or some such? Also what kind of buffer and spring should people use in the lower for the 9" barrel?
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Outstanding.JasonAAC wrote:Having spent a week behind a 9" 300 BLK gun in semi, burst and full, most of the time with a 762-SDN-6, I can definitely say these do not have anything like the blowback you can get with 5.56 suppressed SBRs. I don't remember getting gassed at all.DemonLlama wrote:Ok, thanks. Does the upper come with a standard charging handle or something special to stop gas from getting you in the face? Gas Buster or some such? Also what kind of buffer and spring should people use in the lower for the 9" barrel?
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so not to ruffle feathers, as i know dick about reloading and dont pay attention to the spec numbers for case length etc, if you can sometimes shoot this in 300 fireball/whisper, how is it not a patent infringement or whatever? if its that close, how can the differinces (whatever they are) be enough to prove that it wasnt a infringment?
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The name "Whisper" is a registered trademark. You can't use that _NAME_ unless you pay for it. Also, JD Jones is the only one with plans, reamers, etc. If you want a true 300 whisper, you have to pay him.
"Fireball" "wildcat" or generic names like 300/221 etc. are not trademarked and have come out to avoid the royalties. As mentioned previously, there are only so many ways you can take a 221 case and put a .30 bullet in it.
So, in this case, AAC/Remington took the 221 fireball case, necked it up to .30 and played with the loads and OAL, etc, until it worked sub and supersonic on the AR platform. They did not take a 300 whisper and reverse engineer it. This is just like what everyone else has done (300/221 and 300 fireball) to avoid paying royalties for the name.
Plus, I'd say that making it SAAMI standard and providing all the specs is more beneficial than just paying to use the whisper name.
"Fireball" "wildcat" or generic names like 300/221 etc. are not trademarked and have come out to avoid the royalties. As mentioned previously, there are only so many ways you can take a 221 case and put a .30 bullet in it.
So, in this case, AAC/Remington took the 221 fireball case, necked it up to .30 and played with the loads and OAL, etc, until it worked sub and supersonic on the AR platform. They did not take a 300 whisper and reverse engineer it. This is just like what everyone else has done (300/221 and 300 fireball) to avoid paying royalties for the name.
Plus, I'd say that making it SAAMI standard and providing all the specs is more beneficial than just paying to use the whisper name.
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SSK trademarked the name Whisper(R) for their version of the 300-221 Wildcat. There is no patent and you have one year to file a patent from the date of disclosure. They were not the first to do a 221 Remington Fireball necked to 30 cal as it was done in 1970 by someone else. The previous attempts at this kind of cartridge did not have enough focus on open standards, AR15 reliability, or affordable ammo prices in order to help popularity.
We could not have submitted anything proprietary to SAAMI as that is part of the deal of submitting to SAAM. We made the cartridge specs how we thought they were best with such goals as for it to be compatible with most 5.56mm converted brass, etc.
We did not think the Whisper name was best as that would slow mass acceptance and possibly mislead people into thinking it is somehow a special purpose silencer round. Supersonic it matches 7.62x39mm! The most popular assault rifle cartridge ever made.
We could not have submitted anything proprietary to SAAMI as that is part of the deal of submitting to SAAM. We made the cartridge specs how we thought they were best with such goals as for it to be compatible with most 5.56mm converted brass, etc.
We did not think the Whisper name was best as that would slow mass acceptance and possibly mislead people into thinking it is somehow a special purpose silencer round. Supersonic it matches 7.62x39mm! The most popular assault rifle cartridge ever made.
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And that right there is one huge +1 for me. It always bugged me that I might have to turn down a neck if I use my 5.56 brass trimmed down. And, it wasn't a spec issue, it was a chamber issue. I might get one barrel that I didn't need to trim, and another that I did. Now, I'll be able to use all my old 5.56 brass.silencertalk wrote: We made these cartridge specs how we thought they were best with such goals as for it to be compatible with most 5.56mm converted brass, etc.
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ah sweetness. sounds good. on the subject of 223 brass, the guy who posted a pic of his brass did it correct? how much is too much? and how many times can you reload a trimmed 223 case? has this been asked before?
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Remington tested the official brass to 10 reload cycles but it depends on how hot you load.
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Just remember - just because someone finds that their old 30-221 barrel shoots Rem ammo does not mean it meets the specs. They may have a neck too small or a throat too tight to be within the actual chamber drawing specs - which were designed for reliability first.
308 bullets are allowed by SAAMI to be up to 0.3086 in diamater. If someone made their throat 0.3085 to 'try to be more accurate' to me that is "hello stuck bullet.'
This is why 300 AAC BLACKOUT throats must be 0.3090 min. I know that custom gunsmiths like to design their own trick reamers to sell their 1/4 MOA rifles. Trust in the engineer who understands GD&T. We employ them.
308 bullets are allowed by SAAMI to be up to 0.3086 in diamater. If someone made their throat 0.3085 to 'try to be more accurate' to me that is "hello stuck bullet.'
This is why 300 AAC BLACKOUT throats must be 0.3090 min. I know that custom gunsmiths like to design their own trick reamers to sell their 1/4 MOA rifles. Trust in the engineer who understands GD&T. We employ them.
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Robert...
I wish you guys would come out with an enhanced version of the 6.5 MPC (use a 5.65 NATO not the .223 as the base).. Standardize that just like you did with the .30-5.56 NATO.. Then there might be a better chance the .gov would adopt it and replace the 5.56 with it. I know you have read my many long posts about the 6.5.
The 6.5 in a 5.56 NATO case is the logical upgrade making a better CQB and longer range round. It would give our men in combat a better mousetrap.
The 300 BLK is a fantastic dual purpose cartridge and excels at close range but the 6.5-5.56 NATO kicks ass as a full power cartridge in the AR platform because it has mid & long range performance gains as well as short range efficiency.
If Remington got THAT chunk of PIE it would make tons of $
The 300 BLK is better then the 6.5-5.56 NATO for use in a silenced role and might be = or better at short range.. But I think the larger powder capacity of the 6.5 in a 5.56 NATO would even make it better than the BLK for short range as well.
1) the shoulder could be farther forward than the BLK do to the smaller dia of the bullet so the mag will not have as much of an interference issue the .30 has. So the added powder would make up for the larger bore efficiency of the .30 cal.
2) The 6.5 with it's higher BC would carry this advantage more as the range is farther.
I think there is plenty of "room" in the market for both the 300 BLK and a standardized & more importantly OPTIMIZED 6.5 in a 5.56 NATO case. In fact I believe the 6.5 has more potential revenue if the .gov adopted it. It IS the right answer for the military for the AR and SAW platforms.
I wish you guys would come out with an enhanced version of the 6.5 MPC (use a 5.65 NATO not the .223 as the base).. Standardize that just like you did with the .30-5.56 NATO.. Then there might be a better chance the .gov would adopt it and replace the 5.56 with it. I know you have read my many long posts about the 6.5.
The 6.5 in a 5.56 NATO case is the logical upgrade making a better CQB and longer range round. It would give our men in combat a better mousetrap.
The 300 BLK is a fantastic dual purpose cartridge and excels at close range but the 6.5-5.56 NATO kicks ass as a full power cartridge in the AR platform because it has mid & long range performance gains as well as short range efficiency.
If Remington got THAT chunk of PIE it would make tons of $
The 300 BLK is better then the 6.5-5.56 NATO for use in a silenced role and might be = or better at short range.. But I think the larger powder capacity of the 6.5 in a 5.56 NATO would even make it better than the BLK for short range as well.
1) the shoulder could be farther forward than the BLK do to the smaller dia of the bullet so the mag will not have as much of an interference issue the .30 has. So the added powder would make up for the larger bore efficiency of the .30 cal.
2) The 6.5 with it's higher BC would carry this advantage more as the range is farther.
I think there is plenty of "room" in the market for both the 300 BLK and a standardized & more importantly OPTIMIZED 6.5 in a 5.56 NATO case. In fact I believe the 6.5 has more potential revenue if the .gov adopted it. It IS the right answer for the military for the AR and SAW platforms.
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Got my upper in today. Nice job guys, from along-time 300 whisper shooter. Tell us about the availability of the custom reticle mentioned in the PDF.
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FYI,
It has been documented over at http://www.quarterbore.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=38 that using 5.56 NATO brass as a parent is not a good idea in true 300 Whisper(R) chambered weapons.
(People who have done so have had problems.)
The Whisper(R) was designed around the 221 fireball which has much thiner brass in the neck area.
The 300 / 221 Fireball on the other hand, is good to go with 5.56 NATO brass because it allows for the thicker brass at the neck.
Aparently this is also the case with the 300 BLK acording to Roberts previous post in this thread.
It has been documented over at http://www.quarterbore.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=38 that using 5.56 NATO brass as a parent is not a good idea in true 300 Whisper(R) chambered weapons.
(People who have done so have had problems.)
The Whisper(R) was designed around the 221 fireball which has much thiner brass in the neck area.
The 300 / 221 Fireball on the other hand, is good to go with 5.56 NATO brass because it allows for the thicker brass at the neck.
Aparently this is also the case with the 300 BLK acording to Roberts previous post in this thread.
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