Do you think Suppressors will ever stop from being class 3?

[gixxerbill]

I mean it is sooo stupid they are class 3 in the first place. They by themselves can't do anything. Plus, it is sooo much more enjoyable to the shooter and everyone around the shooter. If other countries have them legal and over the counter, why can't we?

I mean come if people wanted to kill people quiet they would do it with a knife and you know people ain't going to go through all this ATF crap to get a knife.

So what do you think will this class 3 crap ever go away for suppressors? Why were they put in the class 3 category in the first place.

[Bowen1911]

you mean title 2-

class 3 denotes a Special Occupation Tax.

class 2 SOT's can sell title 2 weapons the same as class 3 SOT's can


On another note I don't think the class 3 is actually title II is ever going to be widely known, as many dealers call them class 3.

[outbreak]

To actually reply to the OP, I doubt suppressors will ever be removed from the NFA.

Honestly, I'm hesitant to try to get them removed. Short of fully repealing the NFA, which has a snowball's chance in hell of happening, I would fear that any change to any part the NFA would open doors to other changes. If they were to bother altering the NFA, someone might notice that the $200 tax hasn't been raised in almost 80 years, or that maybe rifle length should be the same as shotgun length, or maybe semi-auto rifles should have a stamp, too...

We all agree the NFA is a big infringement on our rights, but opening it up to change it would very likely make it worse.

[silencertalk]

We want it to be a $5 tax with an instant background check. Remember, Remington got NY to make suppressors legal in NY for manufactures. That does not help everyone, but it shows change is possible if you assign a lobbyist to explaining it to the right people.

http://www.thegunzone.com/TGZBlog/2010/ ... nufacture/

[Tiller1k]

Jeebus. Gixxerbill has found us. Get ready for the show.

[ick]

Jeebus. Gixxerbill has found us. Get ready for the show.

huh?

[Tiller1k]

Jeebus. Gixxerbill has found us. Get ready for the show.

huh?

Gixxerbill posts on a local motorcycle forum (and was banned/unbanned/banned ) and is full of amazing questions. I have met him before in real life and he is a good guy but sometimes his questions/posts make me bang my head against the keyboard.

Welcome Bill!

[gixxerbill]

Jeebus. Gixxerbill has found us. Get ready for the show.

huh?

yea, huh? You know me?

[gixxerbill]

Jeebus. Gixxerbill has found us. Get ready for the show.

huh?

Gixxerbill posts on a local motorcycle forum (and was banned/unbanned/banned ) and is full of amazing questions. I have met him before in real life and he is a good guy but sometimes his questions/posts make me bang my head against the keyboard.

Welcome Bill!

lol, must have been motoblowme right? While my questions might seem bizarre I doubt this place would have banned me probably because there isn't one liberal person usually on a gun board. Thank God.

So was your name tiller1k on that same website? And what track did I meet you at and when? And thanks for the welcome glad to be here I feel at home around fellow gun enthusiast.

Oh and I love your quote!

[Tiller1k]

Yep MH. Same handle. MSRH track day IIRC.

No. I don't see suppressors coming off the NFA list. It would be nice but I'm afraid it is a pipe-dream.

[gixxerbill]

Yep MH. Same handle. MSRH track day IIRC.

No. I don't see suppressors coming off the NFA list. It would be nice but I'm afraid it is a pipe-dream.

i think you're right and I don't think its because they think they are bad are would cause more crime I think it is about the $200 they make for a a little teal/greenish stamp. that is a heck of a mark up for a stamp.

[jlwilliams]

The perception of silencers is soooooo negative in the general population that I don't se them ever being less regulated. The prevailing additude is that no one would want or need one unless they are doing something they shouldn't. There is no swaying some people on this point. They 'know' they are illegal and the 'know' they should be.

[sprayandpray]

The perception of silencers is soooooo negative in the general population that I don't se them ever being less regulated. The prevailing additude is that no one would want or need one unless they are doing something they shouldn't. There is no swaying some people on this point. They 'know' they are illegal and the 'know' they should be.

Semi true.... Supressors are by far the most sold tax stamp. they are in fact becoming more common and even most of the hard core FUDD's I meet now dont pull the "thats illegal" card.

As a bonus , whenever I run into those people I always let them pop off a few rounds through my cans. Invariably once the shoot one. they start asking about how to aquire them.

I think the day will come that there are so many supressor owners that getting them de-listed will be a real possibility (after this administation leaves office of course)

[silencertalk]

There is resistance to allowing MGs to be made, as NFA owners don't want the $15,000 M16 they own to be worth $1000 next year. But with silencers, there is no such resistance from inside the community.

[66427vette]

There is resistance to allowing MGs to be made, as NFA owners don't want the $15,000 M16 they own to be worth $1000 next year. But with silencers, there is no such resistance from inside the community.

Our 27 transferable machine guns and myself agree 100% !!

[Quietly-Effectively]

I have read recently that most NFA mg owners don't care if prices go down. This should be a hobby, not an investment. I would like a RDIAS or HK sear, but that's not likely to happen.

[silencertalk]

If I could make MGs for sale at Walmart, $79 AK special on Black Friday, I would. It would be bad though, to lose what I spent on them.

[66427vette]

Mine were all bought as a hobby 15 to 20 years ago. My first hk auto sears were 200 bucks each.

[Abiqua]

There is resistance to allowing MGs to be made, as NFA owners don't want the $15,000 M16 they own to be worth $1000 next year. But with silencers, there is no such resistance from inside the community.

I'm currently shopping for an FA Uzi. If I spend $6k on it and next year the NFA gets repealed and it's worth $1k, I'm still a happy man.

[Kramer]

I have three transfereable MGs and I would be happy to repael the 86 ban so I can go and buy a bunch more for less!

[jlwilliams]

I have three transfereable MGs and I would be happy to repael the 86 ban so I can go and buy a bunch more for less!

I think that is the prevailing additude among FA private owners. There may be some dealers with hundreds of thousands of dollars (or more) in inventory who would be hurt by a repeal of the ban. On the othet hand, those same businesses would have an oportunty to sell great volumes more new guns. The large majority of the NFA owning community would buy more guns, not gripe about the hit their stuff took in resale value.

A repeal wouldn't have much effect on the value of antiques. A C&R Maxim is still old and worth more than a modern reproduction. Uzis, M16s and Norrel 10-22s would drop but no one would complain about selling them in great numbers.

[gixxerbill]

The perception of silencers is soooooo negative in the general population that I don't se them ever being less regulated. The prevailing additude is that no one would want or need one unless they are doing something they shouldn't. There is no swaying some people on this point. They 'know' they are illegal and the 'know' they should be.

You are right on this people look at me like why the heck would I want a suppressor. And these aren't even liberal nut jobs just regular folks. I guess we can blame hollywood for that perception. But it was also hollywood why I bought one.

[Mike M.]

I think removing suppressors from the NFA is do-able. Noise pollution is an issue for many ranges - and the comparison between a muffler for a car/motorcycle and a firearm suppressor is one that non-shooters can relate to.

Not to mention that with NICS, there is an intermediate level of backgorund check available. It's not all-or-nothing, as it was in 1934.

All we really need is a Congressional sponsor.

[Wicked]

I hope. But I'm not holding my breath. Although, concealed carry laws have passed most states and are approved in some form in nearly all states.

Would individual states still outlaw suppressors? I'm guessing so. It might not help everyone.

[gixxerbill]

I think removing suppressors from the NFA is do-able. Noise pollution is an issue for many ranges - and the comparison between a muffler for a car/motorcycle and a firearm suppressor is one that non-shooters can relate to.

Not to mention that with NICS, there is an intermediate level of backgorund check available. It's not all-or-nothing, as it was in 1934.

All we really need is a Congressional sponsor.

the muffler analogy is a really good one. Will remember that next time I get those looks and questions.