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Rumor at Remington

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I heard a rumor that Jason Schauble resigned as vice president of Remington Defense instead of carrying out the cost savings measure of firing Kevin Brittingham as president of AAC. Schauble oversaw the purchase of AAC in 2009 and Kevin had since reported to him. Schauble has a distinguished military history and is well respected in the industry. Needless to say, he will be missed. John Day is replacing Schauble as VP of Remington Defense and Brittingham as president of AAC.

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Interesting. Time will tell I guess...
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So remmy canned two people who appear to be stand-up guys, and replaced them both with one who will obviously do whatever it takes to save his own ass?

Corporate America.... :evil:
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Cerberus rules over both Remington and AAC now correct?
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Just like big Gov. :roll:
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bikefreek wrote:So remmy canned two people who appear to be stand-up guys, and replaced them both with one who will obviously do whatever it takes to save his own ass?

Corporate America.... :evil:

Who could have guessed that owners of companies want people to work for them who do what they are told?
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I know Kevin spoke highly of Schauble, if true it sucks that they both had to leave. I'm still on the AAC bandwagon though, and it'll be hard to fall off as long as the good folks I know are working there :wink:
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David Hineline wrote:
bikefreek wrote:So remmy canned two people who appear to be stand-up guys, and replaced them both with one who will obviously do whatever it takes to save his own ass?

Corporate America.... :evil:

Who could have guessed that owners of companies want people to work for them who do what they are told?
You are assuming that the two who were let go wouldnt do what they are told. Maybe remmy wanted to do something that they previously said they wouldnt do. Maybe a trust was violated, or some other action that was obviously detrimental to the company was trying to be pushed on AAC. Its all speculation but I doubt two people as high up as these two individuals were would act that way over something insignificant.
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You own it, you get to break it. Contractual agreements not withstanding... it is as simple as that.

Anyone who thinks Remington doesn't have the moral ground to do whatever they darn well please within their own company can go kiss the nearest socialist for all I care. At least you won't have to go far to find an entitlement minded socialist to kiss... they seem to be everywhere nowadays.
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I might choose to never buy anything from AAC again if I think the company is run by a bunch of pricks, but they can do whatever they want.

It sucks to be fired. It also sucks in a MAJOR way to fire someone even when they deserve it and it is the best thing for everyone. Trust me on that one. If you go your whole life never having to fire someone consider yourself having experienced a blessing. Don't get me wrong, I suspect the first firing was unjustified... but that is remmington's call.

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Corporations like puppets :(
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I can see lowering wages or even cutting back when times are hard, but hasn't Remington as well as AAC had fantastic profits recently?
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I tried to post this before but my phone lost it..

I think it would be in the best interest for Robert to join up with the folks at SilencerCo. I am dead serious. AAC as it was is dead. Freedom and creativity have been crushed by big corp.

SilencerCo has maybe 7 - 10years before it gets taken over or sold... but as of now it is the sucessful growing FUN company to work for. IMHO Robert cannot flurish in a restrictive corp environment. SîlencerCo could use him all personalities aside. Is Robert a fit? Maybe not, but in time could be, if given a degree of latitude and time to fit in. Even if only in a consultant capacity. But i hate to say it his days may be numbered at AAC.

The esprit de corps at AAC is dead and abounds at SilencerCo. As a community we would, IMHO, benifit by that additional resource being part of the SilencerCo team.
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I sure as hell wouldn't want to be working for AAC with the new manangment...
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JohnInNH wrote:I tried to post this before but my phone lost it..

I think it would be in the best interest for Robert to join up with the folks at SilencerCo. I am dead serious. AAC as it was is dead. Freedom and creativity have been crushed by big corp.

SilencerCo has maybe 7 - 10years before it gets taken over or sold... but as of now it is the sucessful growing FUN company to work for. IMHO Robert cannot flurish in a restrictive corp environment. SîlencerCo could use him all personalities aside. Is Robert a fit? Maybe not, but in time could be, if given a degree of latitude and time to fit in. Even if only in a consultant capacity. But i hate to say it his days may be numbered at AAC.

The esprit de corps at AAC is dead and abounds at SilencerCo. As a community we would, IMHO, benifit by that additional resource being part of the SilencerCo team.
Now this makes more sense than anything I've heard yet. If Robert can get SilencerCo to use the best materials and build the best designs like he did at AAC, then I'll be a SilencerCo fan too. :wink:
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You guys think working for Silencerco really has more options than Remington? Silencerco that has been 3 years or so in the making single line of rifle cans, and occasional big backorders on their pistol cans... "Freedom" yea, but actual options to get s--t done, I have my doubts.

Plus, I haven't read that anyone fired Silvers, so... Contract + Non-Compete... Whatever... This is just getting weird.
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haha. I love you guys.

Thanks for the kind words about our company. We do have fun and try to be the best at what we do. We have had successes and some failures. All part of doing business and growing pains.
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Gary_SilencerCo wrote:haha. I love you guys.

Thanks for the kind words about our company. We do have fun and try to be the best at what we do. We have had successes and some failures. All part of doing business and growing pains.
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You guys have the attitude to become the next industry leader. I'm looking forward to seeing what you make of this opportunity. It's not a question of "Can you?", but "Will you?".
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My experience working with corporations and around high level corporate types shows that they are, in fact, more like the socialist elitists than any romantic image of an American capitalist. They are typically very far left in their views and have no guiding moral principles.

What's ironic is that they do tend to be very much the way that liberal hollywood has portrayed them to be, except that they tend to be far left in their views instead of right leaning as they are portrayed.

Leadership at most high levels in this country, be it government or the private sector, leans left from what I've seen.
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700PSS wrote:
Gary_SilencerCo wrote:haha. I love you guys.

Thanks for the kind words about our company. We do have fun and try to be the best at what we do. We have had successes and some failures. All part of doing business and growing pains.
:D
You guys have the attitude to become the next industry leader. I'm looking forward to seeing what you make of this opportunity. It's not a question of "Can you?", but "Will you?".

WILL...

And our company as a whole leans slightly right of limbaugh :D
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I wish the best for the remaining AAC employees, and yeah restricting any of them would be a bad business decision. As for Silencer Co. you guys kick ass! Im so close to having my sparrow I can taste it! and can't wait to see how the future unfolds. Just hold on to your core beliefs(family nature and amazing CS) and you will always have my respect! and it doesn't hurt that your so innovative! ;) I feel good knowing that when the rifle cans come out I can get one and not worry about a bunch of changes being made shortly after. The time being taken for testing is well worth it.
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shootertom wrote:I wish the best for the remaining AAC employees, and yeah restricting any of them would be a bad business decision. As for Silencer Co. you guys kick ass! Im so close to having my sparrow I can taste it! and can't wait to see how the future unfolds. Just hold on to your core beliefs(family nature and amazing CS) and you will always have my respect! and it doesn't hurt that your so innovative! ;) I feel good knowing that when the rifle cans come out I can get one and not worry about a bunch of changes being made shortly after. The time being taken for testing is well worth it.

We have always wished the best for AAC. A victory for one of us in this industry greatly enhances all of our chances for future success. Brittingham/Smith/Silvers Etc at AAC's successes and contributions to our industry are undeniable and worth recognizing

Saker 5.56 can has taken 3 years off my life expectancy I think. It will be awesome, you will dig it.
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aries14482 wrote:My experience working with corporations and around high level corporate types shows that they are, in fact, more like the socialist elitists than any romantic image of an American capitalist. They are typically very far left in their views and have no guiding moral principles.

What's ironic is that they do tend to be very much the way that liberal hollywood has portrayed them to be, except that they tend to be far left in their views instead of right leaning as they are portrayed.

Leadership at most high levels in this country, be it government or the private sector, leans left from what I've seen.
I have to agree. I've been lucky enough to spend some quality time with two exceptional men. One was the CEO of major corp. that makes tools that most of you have in your garage. The other was an entrepreneur and owner of a small upstart manufacturing firm. One was always trying to get the other to come work with him in his operation. It was the corp. CEO that realized first that that he could only do his job effectively if he was managing someone else's money. The entrepreneur knew that he only had the passion for it if he was managing his own money. Managing someone else's money just took the fun out of it form him. I think this is why a lot corporate leaders are more socialistic than you'd think. They are used to freely managing other peoples cash.
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The jury is still out for me on this being a death knell for AAC. I hate that Kevin and Cara are gone, but there's still a TON of good people there at all levels. That said I have to agree that SilencerCo is in a great position to excel and I look forward to their new offering(s) at SHOT this year.

Gary, I don't know if it was you or someone else that made that post on your blog about AAC, but it was tactful and classy, it's nice seeing two companies that can get along in this industry instead of trying to cause a stir at seemingly every opportunity :)
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I don't think much anything is more fun than working in a sucessful growing young company with real team spirit, with an informal relaxed free FUN atmosphere. Productivity is much better, quality is better, less sick time (why call in if going to work is fun and most working there are your friends), and creativity is a lot better.

I see SilencerCo as a company like this. I worked at one ..Then it fell after the owner sold out and corporate speak, PC ness invaded, team spirt disapeared, management was no longer part of production...we they.. thus the downward spiral began. Going to work was no longer fun. Then down sizing began. I wish i took the first "package" and jumped on the second with less than 1/2 the incentive.

AAC is at the very early point of this change. I know how it will be (pretty sure). The fun will slowly erode with the numbers and REPORTING the numbers becoming more important than the actual product.

That is NOT the case at SilencerCo. With my looming forced retirement I have entertained the thought of how much fun it would be to join the SilencerCo team.. Salary being secondary with the personal reward, being part ot the team, and the fun working at a company during it's most "playful" years being the primary compensation.

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Gary_SilencerCo wrote:
700PSS wrote:
Gary_SilencerCo wrote:haha. I love you guys.

Thanks for the kind words about our company. We do have fun and try to be the best at what we do. We have had successes and some failures. All part of doing business and growing pains.
:D
You guys have the attitude to become the next industry leader. I'm looking forward to seeing what you make of this opportunity. It's not a question of "Can you?", but "Will you?".

WILL...

And our company as a whole leans slightly right of limbaugh :D
The fact that you make outstanding products, offer sterling customer experiences, and are
overall a standard for all businesses, I will easily over look, from my
view, your admitting to a slight left leaning. :) :) :)

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