So, today I FINALLY was able to pick up my NANO from my dealer. After I pick up my paperwork and the suppressor, I head straight to Office Max to get some copies of my signed/stamped Form 4. I pull it out of it's envelope and tell the lady that I'll need both sides. It is at that point, I flipped it over to show her "both sides", and realized that my stamped/signed Form 4 did not in-fact have a back side! Apparently my dealer or I sent off (incorrectly, mind you) a Form 4 as TWO sheets (front & back) instead of ONE sheet (front/back), which is usually a no-no, right? Typically grounds for rejection and costing some more time.
Well, get this. I call my dealer and he's unsure of what to do, so I call the ATF. I get a nice receptionist lady (one of the ones who checks the statuses of our devices) and explain to her what's going on. She says this should never have been approved and that she's send me through to my examiner, Dana Pickles. I leave a message on Mr. Pickles' voicemail and get a return phone call within 30 minutes. Mr. Pickles explains to me that he was able to approve my Form 4 for this very specific reason: I was transferring a SUPPRESSOR to a TRUST. Had I been transferring anything other than a suppressor (any other NFA device) to anything other than a Trust, I would have had to redo my Form 4. However, because I met the requirements above, there is no actual need for me to fill out the back of the Form 4 when transferring a suppressor to a trust because, 1.) the suppressor isn't a firearm (not my words, his), and 2.) the Trust isn't a "person" that can have committed a felony (or any other of the check-boxes we need to fill out).
This was news to me, but he assured me that I'm good to go with JUST the signed/stamped front page of the Form 4. Anybody else had something like this happen?
Suppressor transfer to Trust? New info from my examiner
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That's news to me. And Dana kicks ass haha.
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Beg your pardon?TronZy wrote:That's news to me. And Dana kicks ass haha.
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Re: Suppressor transfer to Trust? New info from my examiner
I think this is a rare example of someone in the government using their head. I wouldn't recommend anyone follow this as SOP, but it's comforting to see it happen for you.
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so you had your suppressor as an individual form 4 with pics and fingerprints and then you sent it a new form 4 to have it switched to your trust and this went through? I am thinking of doing my individuals to a trust and this is a great thing...
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Re: Suppressor transfer to Trust? New info from my examiner
No no no no. I was always transferring to my trust. I don't do individual transfers.Eagle1* wrote:so you had your suppressor as an individual form 4 with pics and fingerprints and then you sent it a new form 4 to have it switched to your trust and this went through? I am thinking of doing my individuals to a trust and this is a great thing...
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Dana Pickles is a very efficient and good examiner. if you look at his average turn around times, they typically lead the pack.
also, your dealer needs a duplex printer. even a $100 b&w laser printer that can duplex will solve this issue. i don't think this issue should have come up in the first place. let's face it, the mark up on suppressors is pretty high. so invest in a nice printer and write it off, capitalize it, whatever.
but glad there was a "loop hole" that worked out for you. i would rather had like to have the opportunity to re-submit it before it was approved.
also, your dealer needs a duplex printer. even a $100 b&w laser printer that can duplex will solve this issue. i don't think this issue should have come up in the first place. let's face it, the mark up on suppressors is pretty high. so invest in a nice printer and write it off, capitalize it, whatever.
but glad there was a "loop hole" that worked out for you. i would rather had like to have the opportunity to re-submit it before it was approved.
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"Dana Pickles is a very efficient and good examiner. if you look at his average turn around times, they typically lead the pack. "
Perhaps a letter to his supervisor expressing your wanting to recognize the great
experience you had with the lady who answered your call and especially
Mr. Pickles for his professionalism.
Great Christmas gift to a decent Civil Servant who deserves it.
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Perhaps a letter to his supervisor expressing your wanting to recognize the great
experience you had with the lady who answered your call and especially
Mr. Pickles for his professionalism.
Great Christmas gift to a decent Civil Servant who deserves it.
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Re: Suppressor transfer to Trust? New info from my examiner
That is an EXCELLENT idea! In fact, I actually live in Martinsburg. Maybe I'll type it up and then go hand drop it off at the front desk.Historian wrote:"Dana Pickles is a very efficient and good examiner. if you look at his average turn around times, they typically lead the pack. "
Perhaps a letter to his supervisor expressing your wanting to recognize the great
experience you had with the lady who answered your call and especially
Mr. Pickles for his professionalism.
Great Christmas gift to a decent Civil Servant who deserves it.
The Golden Rule [ no, not He Who Has the Gold Rules. ]
"I said I never had much use for [a pistol], never said I didn't know how to use it." - Matthew Quigley
Keep your powder dry. Molon labe!
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Yeah pat someone on the back for doing there job. In gov't that equals a promotion for Dana and then where will you be? Back to long waits.Historian wrote:"Dana Pickles is a very efficient and good examiner. if you look at his average turn around times, they typically lead the pack. "
Perhaps a letter to his supervisor expressing your wanting to recognize the great
experience you had with the lady who answered your call and especially
Mr. Pickles for his professionalism.
Great Christmas gift to a decent Civil Servant who deserves it.
The Golden Rule [ no, not He Who Has the Gold Rules. ]
Re: Suppressor transfer to Trust? New info from my examiner
I never heard of this but makes sense. I work for the government and nothing makes sense lol.
Re: Suppressor transfer to Trust? New info from my examiner
It's my understanding it will cost you another $200 (or $5) per transfer. May not be practical for some items.Eagle1* wrote: I am thinking of doing my individuals to a trust and this is a great thing...
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Re: Suppressor transfer to Trust? New info from my examiner
Me too. I've actually read that over on MDshooters.com in a LONG thread on trust transfers. Any transfer of an NFA item from someone to the trust, or out of the trust TO someone will incur the $200 tax.viriceman wrote:It's my understanding it will cost you another $200 (or $5) per transfer. May not be practical for some items.Eagle1* wrote: I am thinking of doing my individuals to a trust and this is a great thing...
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the suppressor isn't a firearm (not my words, his),
Last I heard a suppressor ,according to the NFA handbook, is considered a firearm.
Last I heard a suppressor ,according to the NFA handbook, is considered a firearm.
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That's what I thought, too. I didn't dispute it, though. <shrug>SRM wrote:the suppressor isn't a firearm (not my words, his),
Last I heard a suppressor ,according to the NFA handbook, is considered a firearm.
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Re: Suppressor transfer to Trust? New info from my examiner
We can always just go with the fact that the ATF just pulls things out of their ass. What probably happened is Mr. Pickles didn't have his morning coffee yet, still had 'sleepies' in his eyes and screwed up. It worked out for you just fine, but I doubt that what he told you would happen successfully again. With the kind of wait times we have, does someone REALLY want to volunteer to find out?
Sorry for the odd first post, been lurking quite a while here. I just figured I'd chime in.
Sorry for the odd first post, been lurking quite a while here. I just figured I'd chime in.
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....yeah yeah....and a suppressor is really a silencer and also a firearm. yada yada....apple and orange argument that resurfaces periodically
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