Barrel shroud and a short barrel. Not an SBR?

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Barrel shroud and a short barrel. Not an SBR?

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Recently came across the tac-sol barrel for the 10/22 that has a cut down barrel with a shroud permanently attached to make up the 16". Anybody do this with any other hosts? I'm thinking either 9mm AR or kel tec sub2k
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I have the SBX, I like it.

No it is not a SBR, a permanent barrel extension defines the length of the barrel even if the base barrel is 1" long and the extension is 15". If the extension is not permanently attached it will be a SBR or SBS if the base barrel is less than the required minimum length.

I had one of these worked up by a local gunsmith, he took way too long to do it, didn't really completely understand what I was asking for, did it wrong, bullets were basically exploding inside the adapter he built ... the adapter that was not required, some of the exploding bullets put shrapnel in the back of my hand that was placed on the fore grip BEHIND the extension ... he finally got it more or less running right after more than a year of f#@%ing around with it but I still have trouble trusting it.

I still like the idea so maybe I'll get another one done some day ... by a different smith.

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gunningbadger wrote:Recently came across the tac-sol barrel for the 10/22 that has a cut down barrel with a shroud permanently attached to make up the 16". Anybody do this with any other hosts? I'm thinking either 9mm AR or kel tec sub2k
Been done on an AR15/9mm. There was a thread over on arfcom, but I can't find it. It was within the past year. I believe the work was done by ADCO.
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Is this still a legal way of not having an SBR?

It's not the $200, it's the inconvenience of not taking from State to State.

I live 20 minutes from Alabama, and have property to hunt, friends to shoot with etc.
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kscoggins wrote:Is this still a legal way of not having an SBR?

It's not the $200, it's the inconvenience of not taking from State to State.

I live 20 minutes from Alabama, and have property to hunt, friends to shoot with etc.
So long as the shroud is permanently affixed per ATF specs and it is over the 16" length when finished then it is legal.

You can still take it across lines(as an SBR) just file your 5320.20 once a year and you are covered.
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Just out of curiosity sake... Has anyone ever seen that tube must be enclosed? What if it was only 1/2 a tube? What if it was a bayonet?
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este wrote:Just out of curiosity sake... Has anyone ever seen that tube must be enclosed? What if it was only 1/2 a tube? What if it was a bayonet?
Doesn't matter what the shape of the extension is, just so long as it is permanent to the barrel and measures over 16".

A 6" bayonet on a 10" barrel is legal to make a 16" barrel
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I've heard people say the tube has to be vented/slotted but not enclosed. I doubt fully enclosed would be an issue unless the muzzle of the extension was threaded and somebody wanted to make a stink over it.
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doubloon wrote:I've heard people say the tube has to be vented/slotted but not enclosed. I doubt fully enclosed would be an issue unless the muzzle of the extension was threaded and somebody wanted to make a stink over it.
It can only be a tube, vented or not doesn't matter. No cap on the tube as that could reduce the report of the gun.
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Bendersquint wrote: Doesn't matter what the shape of the extension is, just so long as it is permanent to the barrel and measures over 16".
A 6" bayonet on a 10" barrel is legal to make a 16" barrel
Bendersquint wrote: It can only be a tube, vented or not doesn't matter. No cap on the tube as that could reduce the report of the gun.
??

These two posts seem to contradict each other.
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Garrett wrote:
Bendersquint wrote: Doesn't matter what the shape of the extension is, just so long as it is permanent to the barrel and measures over 16".
A 6" bayonet on a 10" barrel is legal to make a 16" barrel
Bendersquint wrote: It can only be a tube, vented or not doesn't matter. No cap on the tube as that could reduce the report of the gun.
??

These two posts seem to contradict each other.
It doesn't contradict if you read the comment as a response to the quoted post.
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Garrett wrote:
Bendersquint wrote: Doesn't matter what the shape of the extension is, just so long as it is permanent to the barrel and measures over 16".
A 6" bayonet on a 10" barrel is legal to make a 16" barrel
Bendersquint wrote: It can only be a tube, vented or not doesn't matter. No cap on the tube as that could reduce the report of the gun.
??

These two posts seem to contradict each other.
I see what your confusion is: When he said, "It can only be a tube" he didn't mean it HAS to be a tube, he meant you can't design the tube in a way that would reduce the report, because that would be an unregistered silencer.
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I like the permanent bayonet idea.

I wander if welding a piece of 7" steel to the chamber end of a 9" barrel, so the extension runs backwards toward the stock would technically be kosher, kinda like a mid chamber barrel? :)
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strobro32 wrote:I like the permanent bayonet idea.

I wander if welding a piece of 7" steel to the chamber end of a 9" barrel, so the extension runs backwards toward the stock would technically be kosher, kinda like a mid chamber barrel? :)
Measuring starts from the bolt face towards the muzzle.
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I've always wanted to find someone who could make a shroud for my Savage MKII .22LR FV-SR. Cut the bbl back and rethread then weld on a bbl shroud so it would make the 16" minimum and leave me about 1" of my Sparrow suppressor sticking out. Seems like there would be a good amount of demand if anyone would specialize in it. I know I only run subs in this gun anyways and by the time I SBR it and pay a smith to chop and re-thread I could just have this done, not to mention I could still sell the gun later down the road just like a regular rifle i.e not own it for life...

Anyone know of a willing and competent machinest/smith?
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