Airsoft training

Post by **silencertalk** » Wed May 06, 2009 2:53 pm

http://www.vimeo.com/4516743

Airsoft Glock -- uses 'green gas' but I use propane. Shot through one side of the can.

jdj · Post by **jdj** » Wed May 06, 2009 4:04 pm

the metal slide versions are great... weight nearly identical to the real thing. I wouldn't say they have recoil, but the movement of the heavy slide is at least enough to disrupt sight picture. I borrowed one for the day years ago it was an 18c model and very fun to play with.

mk23 · Post by **mk23** » Wed May 06, 2009 5:30 pm

I love my 18 with metal slide. Take it to classes all the time, use it in semi auto.

If you are using propane (which I am too), make sure you put a little spay of silicone on the propane bottle adapter.

I clocked mine at 1150 rpm in short bursts.

thunderhole · Post by **thunderhole** » Wed May 06, 2009 7:09 pm

Will they fit into an m17 holster?

Mr Silvers, your dog is beautiful!

mk23 · Post by **mk23** » Wed May 06, 2009 7:10 pm

They should. Outside dimension look identical.

I know mine fits.

ArevaloSOCOM · Post by **ArevaloSOCOM** » Wed May 06, 2009 8:14 pm

Noramlly I'd say this is gayer than AIDS.

But.........

Link to toy weapon.

apochachuva · Post by **apochachuva** » Wed May 06, 2009 8:25 pm

rsilvers wrote:http://www.vimeo.com/4516743

Airsoft Glock -- uses 'green gas' but I use propane. Shot through one side of the can.

Green gas is propane repackaged sold for a high profit.

Post by **silencertalk** » Wed May 06, 2009 8:35 pm

thunderhole wrote:Will they fit into an m17 holster?

Mr Silvers, your dog is beautiful!

Thanks.

Yes, it is identical to a Glock. Good for quick-draw training and learning to point shoot.

ArevaloSOCOM · Post by **ArevaloSOCOM** » Wed May 06, 2009 8:42 pm

where'd you buy it?

Post by **silencertalk** » Wed May 06, 2009 9:02 pm

I got it at Airsoft Atlanta. I am not sure what brand it is though. You probably have to read online reviews to decide which one to get. Just note it is "green gas."

Get a propane adapter to save money.

apochachuva · Post by **apochachuva** » Wed May 06, 2009 9:11 pm

rsilvers wrote:I got it at Airsoft Atlanta. I am not sure what brand it is though. You probably have to read online reviews to decide which one to get. Just note it is "green gas."

Get a propane adapter to save money.

If you're going to get one, the propane adapter is a must.
KWC sucks KSC and KWA are supposed to be pretty good, KJW is decent. Don't get Maurzen, Marushin, Wei-Tech or Western Arms.
you can also order them from poweredgeusa.com

razardica · Post by **razardica** » Wed May 06, 2009 9:13 pm

apochachuva wrote:
rsilvers wrote:http://www.vimeo.com/4516743

Airsoft Glock -- uses 'green gas' but I use propane. Shot through one side of the can.
Green gas is propane repackaged sold for a high profit.

It's propane as well as silicone, to lubricate the seals of the pistol and the magazine.

It's important, if you are using the propane adapter, to makes sure fill the reservoir it has with a bit of lightweight shock oil to keep everything in working order.

If you don't, you'll find your magazines start to leak in fairly short order.

apochachuva · Post by **apochachuva** » Wed May 06, 2009 9:16 pm

razardica wrote:
apochachuva wrote:
rsilvers wrote:http://www.vimeo.com/4516743

Airsoft Glock -- uses 'green gas' but I use propane. Shot through one side of the can.
Green gas is propane repackaged sold for a high profit.
It's propane as well as silicone, to lubricate the seals of the pistol and the magazine.

It's important, if you are using the propane adapter, to makes sure fill the reservoir it has with a bit of lightweight shock oil to keep everything in working order.

If you don't, you'll find your magazines start to leak in fairly short order.

All the green gas I got my hands on was crappy and had little to no lubrication properties, but I sold all my airsoft stuff awhile ago so I haven't used any in awhile.

Post by **silencertalk** » Wed May 06, 2009 10:31 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g45Ol_bx ... re=related

I highly recommend buying Airsoft from there:

www.airsoftextreme.com

They have always been great to me.

Post by **silencertalk** » Wed May 06, 2009 10:37 pm

Here is a nice M4 which recoils.

http://www.airsoftextreme.com/store/ind ... ts_id=4249

Twinsen · Post by **Twinsen** » Thu May 07, 2009 6:12 am

I'd recommend to anyone just wanting one "gas blow back" (slide moves) pistol to get a KWA (not KWC) Glock 19, a propane adapter, and .20 or .25 weight bbs. The slide is metal, there are no trademark infringement issues with this brand (unlike literally every other airsoft brand except Western Arms), so you'll have a legal gun in this country. Every other gas gun has issues except this one (KSC version is also problem free). Small issues for a lot of them, but issues. I got a KSC Glock 19 with metaled up everything back in 2001, it still works, and nothing has ever broken except the magazine.

For non blow back, Tokyo Marui MK-23. Shoots harder and more accurate than any blow back.

KJW is balls. KWC is balls. Wei-Tech is balls. These three companies make unreliable guns that will break very quickly. Don't waste a dollar.

Tanaka, Maruzen, and Marushin make oddball stuff that often isn't the best for skirmishing, but often is the coolest stuff. For collectors. The Tanaka revolvers are often too powerful for use in tournaments.

KWA and KSC are the same company, they make great gas pistols. Tokyo Marui also makes good pistols, but they aren't as cheap to go "full metal" (pot metal, aluminum, etc).

Western Arms makes collector style guns. They are what I'd say are the AAC of airsoft companies. They think of everything in their designs. They have stuff on their guns that nobody else even thinks to do. Unlike AAC though, they often have guns that are fancy, really perfect in detail, but shoot plain average. They have the only gas guns you can fire sideways or upside down, which happens sometimes when you have a gun you need to get within 50 feet of somebody with. Most other guns just dump their load of gas in a few shots if they aren't upright.

I've gotten most of my kills in gaysoft around corners spraying. Ambushes win. I like having my team retreat, but staying behind for a suicide spray. Because wtf, it's little bbs. Also I use a KSC Mac-11 or a KWC Mini Uzi all the time.

The funny thing is that the Glock 19 is the absolute best design of pistol for airsoft use that I've seen. The smaller the slide, the easier it is to move, so little guns take well to it. I have a hard time getting on the sights though, I'm not good with that angle.

Post by **silencertalk** » Thu May 07, 2009 7:33 am

My box says KWA G17.

rob_s · Post by **rob_s** » Thu May 07, 2009 7:44 am

All the KWA Glocks are sold out at that store.

Ramius · Post by **Ramius** » Thu May 07, 2009 8:18 am

If you have tighter kydex holsters airsoft versions may not fit. e.g. My G18 will not fit my regular Sidearmor holster, but it will fit in my blade-tech holster.

Put a set of real trijicon sights on them and they are great for force-on-force training.

Post by **silencertalk** » Thu May 07, 2009 8:44 am

Airsplat says this:

Differences between KSC and KWA:
The only difference is the box, both KSC and KWA are in fact the same, they are made in the same factory in Taiwan to exactly the same specifications. This is contrary to what some people believe in that KSC guns are made in Japan. However it is confusing as KSC have made it so that only KSC and not KWA guns are exported to Japan. Whereas KWA can be exported to every other country, in general a KSC gun is more expensive partly due to the cost of first shipping the gun to Japan. Some other differences are a more robust design in the KWA's, which incorporate metal slide and barrels.

Did anyone notice this contradiction?

Post by **silencertalk** » Fri May 08, 2009 10:35 pm

G18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6wLMD_j ... re=related

gunn24 · Post by **gunn24** » Fri May 08, 2009 11:44 pm

Rsilvers, have you had a chance to train with this setup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txeGZoBW7vY

Twinsen · Post by **Twinsen** » Sat May 09, 2009 5:48 am

KSC = more plastic parts, trademarks intact, no orange

KWA = the metal parts without trademarks, orange, worse QC

Pretty much everybody that ever got a KSC into the USA broke the law. And they didn't get a better gun, unless you look at it from the eye of a collector. A collector of fake plastic guns.

Twinsen · Post by **Twinsen** » Sat May 09, 2009 5:52 am

gunn24 wrote:Rsilvers, have you had a chance to train with this setup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txeGZoBW7vY

The 23f model comes with a stupid mount that attaches to the rail on the dustcover of the glock. It gives you two side rails, and allows a magazine to be slide into the bottom of it as a forward grip.

the1mavin · Post by **the1mavin** » Sat May 09, 2009 6:03 pm

Damn! these are some serious toys. I am especially impressed with some of the grenade rounds they have. It would be interesting to see 180+ bb's fly...

Those of you that have shot the pistols - would you consider them a realistic training aid? i.e. -- size and weight seem to be accurate; what about trigger pull?

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