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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:09 am 
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Anything in the works to repeal / reverse the archaic anti-poaching intended law from the depression days that prohibits citizens the right to own silencers? 37 states allow silencer ownership, why not the prideful liberal scandinavians of minniesoda? Heck even the cheeseheads to the east can have silencers.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:23 pm 
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I rely on FOPA when driving from college in ND to home in WI. Can't believe there isn't more of a push to repeal that law in MN.

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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 7:21 am 
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I totally agree, I'd love to have a can... or 10.

I'm glad you brought up FOPA, I was never really aware of all of the details.


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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 6:15 pm 
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Man I wish. I've talked to the Rep. Gubenatorial candidate Tom Emmer personally on this issue, as well as former candidate and current MN speaker of the house Marty Seifert as well. Both are supportive of the idea, but in seperate ways.

Emmer discussed the idea of a Montana style firearms freedom act and has co-sponsored a bill in the past.

Seifert on the other hand was more in tune with the SD framework, but was not opposed to a firearms freedom act either.

In all reality here in the Land of Liberals its going to be a tough push. A couple years back I got involved with a group of guys to change the laws here in regards to the use of artificial lights for predator hunting. Thankfully the key organizer of our group was well funded and filmed his own series of predator hunting videos and had some time and money flexibility to attend commitee hearings and such. Eventually we did get the law changed and a slight window opened to at least be able to hunt with shotguns and artificial lights. The real problem is that it took four years of lobbying and commitee's to finaly see the bill make it out of comitee and attached to an omnibus spending bill. Until we get someone leading us through the process with the time, money, and other resources it will be tough. If we can mobilize support I would be happy to donate my time, my money on the other hand is all but non-existent.


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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 9:11 pm 
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Mr. Greg, you and I should get in touch with a few of the western MN state reps and simply invite them out to a day at the Buxton range.

Of course you and I should get together anyway to do some shooting. You haven't shot my 77/44 yet.

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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 9:13 am 
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your NRA lobbyist for MN is the same guy in IA and is a personal friend of mine. is there a way that you guys could put together a convincing argument so folks like the NRA could push this? they tend to not fight battles they can't win, but if you can muster support and you come out fighting and fighting hard, they'll usually make you proud.

food for thought.

i can tell you they were absolutely instrumental in getting "shall issue" here in iowa this session. i'm hoping for a change in iowa law regarding suppressors as well. ...although i'm new to them as an SOT II, since this is my second year of holding one, i hope to educate the masses a bit and make a run of it.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 5:47 pm 
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MN is too deep in socialism and will never allow silencers. Heck MN is one of the few states that has NO firearms right clause in their states constitution :roll: Most Minnesotans are Elmer Fudds who think silencers are for assassins.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 5:54 pm 
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I have been working for a few years to get a silencer use law passed in WA. We can own but not use them. The biggest obstacle is the gun owners. Those that think we should be able to use them are unwilling for the most part to do anything but complain. Most are unwilling to do anything more than write a single e-mail to the Rep. This is making it very hard for me as most of the Senators and Reps in WA only like to converse with residents in their own district.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:33 pm 
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rab, at least you can have them :roll: Get real anyway, whos gonna know your using your can. After all its a silencer. Just dont blab to anyone.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 10:16 pm 
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It used to be "common knowledge" that the police never arrested anyone for using silencers. But it is not so. A couple of guys lost their silencers to the police after some complaints were made at a rifle range. I still have no idea what WA law says the can police seize evidence of a crime in that they did not witness other than felonies and those that are drug related. Since silencer use is a gross misdemeanor, the police can not seize them or arrest the users unless they witness the crime.

Anyway, I want to be able to use them at the local range. My club is being sued by the local prosecutor because of complaints made by people nearby even though the range has been operating since 1926. I do not know what kind of silencers you own, but the ones I make do not make my guns noiseless.

So are you going to roll your eyes at a one year prison sentence and a $5000 fine if you get caught using your suppressed guns in WA?

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 10:41 pm 
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Rab, didnt know WA was so bad on the issue. Keep on truckin :D . BTW, my silencers are near hollywood quiet with the right ammo(Silencerco- osprey and sparrow).


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 1:16 am 
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What part of use being prohibited did you think was not so bad?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:49 am 
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Maybe Minnesoda and Iowa dont like quiet :?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:04 am 
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There is maybe a doezn states in the union that do not make it a crime for an otherwise law abiding person to possess certain types of guns. The guns that are banned are usually the ones least used in crime. So is it the guns or the people they hate?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:45 am 
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I'm an Iowa resident (no civi-legal NFA) and I think it's the guns they hate.

We just had shall-issue CCW go into effect 1/1/11 and there is a HUGE backlash in my part of the state from local government entities.

Counties and cities trying to ban firearms in/on public property and buildings.

Luckily we do have a firearm preemption clause in the Iowa code so those local ordinances hold no power of law.

I believe that several angry sheriffs that lost their "discretion" in our old may-issue system are spreading misinformation and stirring the pot which fans the flame of Iowa's idiocracy.

Anyway - to make a long story short I think they hate the guns. :(


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:09 pm 
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What are the penalties for violating those local laws on carrying in public buildings? Do they punish the gun or the person carrying it? That is how I tell what they hate. :)

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:18 pm 
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Actually the local ordinances are void by the state preemption law, so the local "laws" have no teeth in and of themselves.

Posted "No Weapons" signs don't carry any power of law in Iowa either. You can legally walk right past them.

The only charges that can legally be filed are simple trespassing charges if you refuse to leave the premises when asked.

Now with that said, we have an anti-gun state attorney general whose personal stance is in favor of the local ordinances (which is in clear violation of state law and any oath he probably swore to uphold).

So I guess we'll have to wait and see what actually takes place when one these "laws" is violated and how the prosecuting attorney(s) decide to proceed.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:34 pm 
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Neighbors to the north, Minnesota, did the same crap when they passed the conceal carry back in 2004-2005. Dems even shopped it to the right marxist judge that put the shall issue on hold for quite a while, despite passage by the legislature. The looney left will calm down after a while when they see freedom to protect oneself is no harm to their life. Fear makes people be irrational. As for LE, they can sit on it as they dont make the laws, just there to enforce. Let the dictatorial Iwegian Sheriffs whine all they want. If they need proof conceal carry under shall issue works then they dont need to look any further than the surrounding 37 other states that do. Now Minnesota and Iowa need to let its citizens have silence :mrgreen: .


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:27 am 
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psp7 wrote:
Now Minnesota and Iowa need to let its citizens have silence :mrgreen: .


Silence and noise.

As much as I want suppressors in my home state (I have to keep all my goodies at my vacation home down south :? ) I think I probably want full auto more.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:18 pm 
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schnitz, auto is silly for the most part. Silence is sweet as people are nosey. I shot alot of auto in the Army and for the most part its wasteful, but fun. Silence is harmony with nature :)


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psp7 wrote:
schnitz, auto is silly for the most part. Silence is sweet as people are nosey. I shot alot of auto in the Army and for the most part its wasteful, but fun. Silence is harmony with nature :)



I know. I know.

I have shot full auto many times at NFA rental ranges. I love it.

But for cost reasons alone I will admit that if it was my own firearm I probably wouldn't use it all that much (unless I had a Lage .22LR kit on an M11 :wink: ).

I live on 40 acres of timber zoned for agricultural use in rural Iowa. Besides corn and cows my closest neighbor is about a mile away.

I hear random shots all the time in the distance. Nobody out here cares if anyone else is shooting.

So I don't really need suppressors. I want them.

But for some strange reason I feel a need for full auto. :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:26 am 
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ya, it would be fun to spit out some 9mm on auto :D


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