Suppressor parts sourcing

[silencer_kid]

We're way off topic here, but car manuf stopped using single stage in the US primarily because of the VOCs, I wouldn't be surprised if Toyota still uses it in some international facilities. Did you happen to just bring it with you when you moved to the US, or were you looking for single stage paint for some reason?

That aside, people with lots of experience can be wrong, and it's worth keeping that in mind, but I figure that if they were wrong more often than me that I wouldn't be spending any time reading what they post or responding to them, I don't have that much free time.

Jim

i was giving example. and no, its a 2010 US car (non US brand). there are no VOC's, its water based paint.

[whiterussian1974]

I know this thread is 2 weeks old, but just had to way in.

Kid, I think that your characterization of some of the FFLs here as a virtual extension of ATF is unfair.

Jim

hmmm, in some cases, sure seems like it. all i can say is, go back and read some more posts and you might see it. some made statements only to be contradicted by the BATF LEO i spoke to. thats why i had warned readers early on that info here is not 100%, thus its best to talk to BATF directly, it was then said that i was claiming the 07/02's here and others didnt know anything, and that their years of experience in the industry was being questioned by me. so yep, i've seen it before many times, people who have years upon years in "the industry" suddenly find themselves spewing wrong information, which falls into same argument that has just been made, ignorance is not an excuse when you are knowingly involved in an area that has deep regulation, scrutiny, and open for interpretation.

Actually an ATF Agent is the Enforcement arm. The person YOU are talking about doesn't realize that he can dress up as a Deputy United States Attorney for the District of 'every dang one of 'em' only 1 day a year.

People not familiar w the Law don't realise just how often they commit Felonies throughout the day. Months ago I advised "He w no Name" that he was unlawfully Practicing Law w/o a License.

The scary thing is, with literally Millions of contradictory and unclear Laws at Federal, State, etc levels; it's nearly IMPOSSIBLE to go through Life w/o breaking them. 99.6% of US Citizen on average commit Felonies each and every single year. (Ref: my college Sociology textbook.)

Most of them have no clue that their behavior could be considered a Crime, let alone Felony.
Por ejemplo: If a 17yr old girl in TX emailed some nude self pics to "He w no Name" then he would by definition be guilty of A-Receiving Images of Child Pornagraphy, and B-Use of Interstate Communication Lines for purpose of Committing a Felony.
This is without asking for the photos, without opening the photos, or even knowing that the photos were sent.
Pretty chilling thought!

Interestingly, If he traveled to TX to have sex w same 17yr old girl THAT'S completely legal. Age of Consent here is 17th Birthday. (Just not 5 minutes before midnight!)

[continuity]

... If a 17yr old girl in TX emailed some nude self pics to "He w no Name" then he would by definition be guilty of A-Receiving Images of Child Pornagraphy, and B-Use of Interstate Communication Lines for purpose of Committing a Felony.
This is without asking for the photos, without opening the photos, or even knowing that the photos were sent.
Pretty chilling thought!

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Uhm... your example, at least in the vacuum of no other information, is inaccurate.

[jacobstactical]

I am an 07 and waiting for my SOT in July. The law states the following:

7.4.4.2 Variances for manufacturers’ contractors. As pointed out in Section 7.2.2, some
manufacturers contract with other entities to perform certain work on their firearms prior to their
ultimate sale. In those instances the contractors are also “manufacturers” who must be licensed
as a Type 07 Manufacturer or as a Type 10 Manufacturer of Destructive Devices in order to
perform any manufacturing function on the firearm. Additionally, the regulations require that
the secondary manufacturer mark the firearm with their identifying information to include name,
city and State. A qualified, secondary manufacturer may request a variance to adopt the
markings of the initial manufacturer. If a manufacturer is working with a secondary
manufacturer, either the manufacturer or the secondary manufacturer can submit a letter of
request to FTB for a marking variance.

The contractor needs to be licensed. Its pretty clear in the regs.

[jacobstactical]

7.4.6 Marking silencer parts. Some FFLs/SOTs assemble silencers, for subsequent sale, from parts
acquired from their contractors (NOTE: this activity is the “manufacture” of NFA firearms requiring the
assembler and the contractor to qualify as manufacturers under the GCA and the NFA). Under these
circumstances, ATF takes the position that contractors are not required to place identifying markings on
silencer parts. They may, however, place an assembler’s markings on these parts if the assembler so
desires. It should also be noted that these contractors are not required to register the parts they produce

by filing Forms 2, nor are they required to obtain approved Forms 3 to transfer the parts to assemblers.

[doubloon]

Interesting but it should be noted the original topic of this thread was concerning an individual acquiring parts to assemble a suppressor on a Form 1, not exactly the same as a manufacturer acquiring parts to build suppressors for resale.

[GHEN]

OK, back on topic...who exactly is this 17 year old girl? And this thread just became worthless without...well you know the rest.

GHEN

[paper9]

I can not believe I read all of these posts, I wish it was simpler....

[doubloon]

I wish it was simpler....

+1

[HK Man]

Sooo, if I buy solvent trap tubes from: http://www.sdtacticalarms.com/SOLVENT-T ... _p_47.html or http://apogeeproducts.com/products I would be breaking the law, correct?

[srs]

Sooo, if I buy solvent trap tubes from: http://www.sdtacticalarms.com/SOLVENT-T ... _p_47.html or http://apogeeproducts.com/products I would be breaking the law, correct?

IF, and only IF, you INTEND to use them as a silencer or part of a silencer will you be violating the ATF's interpretation of the NFA.

If your intention is to use them as part of a cleaning kit for your guns, then you are technically legal. If you later use these parts in the assembly of a Form 1 silencer, you might still be legal. Who can really divine "intent" after the fact?

Is this a good idea? That would be a question to ask your lawyer.

[continuity]

...If your intention is to use them as part of a cleaning kit for your guns, then you are technically legal.

Not only technically legal, but absolutely legal.

If you later use these parts in the assembly of a Form 1 silencer, you might still be legal...

No need for "divination of intent" or to "ask an attorney". If the subject item(s) are "used/made into/adapted as" a firearm suppressor or parts thereof, without an approved F1, the person that does so will be in violation of Fed and (probably) State/Local Law. As in (most assuredly in Ohio and most likely in every other State) a felonious criminal act.

Not sure what the hard part is. Edge walkers bring s--t storms on themselves.

Is that clear enough?

ETA: s--t = S H I T (somehow felt the need to claify that )

[HK Man]

...If your intention is to use them as part of a cleaning kit for your guns, then you are technically legal.

Not only technically legal, but absolutely legal.

If you later use these parts in the assembly of a Form 1 silencer, you might still be legal...

No need for "divination of intent" or to "ask an attorney". If the subject item(s) are "used/made into/adapted as" a firearm suppressor or parts thereof, without an approved F1, the person that does so will be in violation of Fed and (probably) State/Local Law. As in (most assuredly in Ohio and most likely in every other State) a felonious criminal act.

Not sure what the hard part is. Edge walkers bring s--t storms on themselves.

Is that clear enough?

ETA: s--t = S H I T (somehow felt the need to claify that )

OH, NO NO NO NO !!!! I'm going to get my form one before I start ANYTHING!!!! Hey Mr Continuity, what area of Ohio do you live in? If it's somewhere central to SW, do you know of any machine shop that are suppressor friendly?