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 Post subject: 95% lower
PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:15 pm 
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What's the point of this?
http://www.americanspiritarms.com/lower-receivers/asa-m4-ar-15-95-percent-lower-receiver/

Seems kinda expensive for a "partially machined" lower. Lots of really good lowers (that are anodized) for under $100. Add $30 for shipping/transfer. I think you are still way ahead and you will have a lower that is ready to build.

Am I missing something?


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 Post subject: Re: 95% lower
PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:46 pm 
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gremlingarage wrote:
What's the point of this?
http://www.americanspiritarms.com/lower-receivers/asa-m4-ar-15-95-percent-lower-receiver/

Seems kinda expensive for a "partially machined" lower. Lots of really good lowers (that are anodized) for under $100. Add $30 for shipping/transfer. I think you are still way ahead and you will have a lower that is ready to build.

Am I missing something?


Called false advertising. If its any more complete than 80% it is required to go through an FFL and that receiver looks no different than the 80%'s I have seen in the past.

More expensive because its not documented and therefore appeals to the people that want to stay off the grid. Supply and demand determines the pricing for it.

There was a point a few years ago that an 80% commanded a range from $40-$250!

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 Post subject: Re: 95% lower
PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:53 pm 
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looks a lot different than the typical 80%.


Magazine Well (cut using an EDM Wire Cutter)
Front Pivot Pin Holes
Rear Take-Down Pin Hole
Threaded Receiver Extension
Front Pivot Detent Hole
Rear Take-Down Detent Hole
Buffer Detent Hole
Fully-Machined Bolt Catch
Fully-Machined Magazine Release
Trigger Guard Holes
Upper Receiver Rear Lug Pocket


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 Post subject: Re: 95% lower
PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:10 pm 
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gremlingarage wrote:
looks a lot different than the typical 80%.


Magazine Well (cut using an EDM Wire Cutter)
Front Pivot Pin Holes
Rear Take-Down Pin Hole
Threaded Receiver Extension
Front Pivot Detent Hole
Rear Take-Down Detent Hole
Buffer Detent Hole
Fully-Machined Bolt Catch
Fully-Machined Magazine Release
Trigger Guard Holes
Upper Receiver Rear Lug Pocket


Only difference I see on this that others don't have is the threaded receiver extension, thats it. The ad also is harping on the fact that since the trigger group isn't finished it isn't a firearm and thats inaccurate as well. Would love to see an ATF letter stating that, because they have denied that before.

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 Post subject: Re: 95% lower
PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:18 pm 
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Which part has been denied before? The threaded receiver extension?


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 Post subject: Re: 95% lower
PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:23 pm 
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Previous "80%" lowers had the trigger area cut out, but no threads for the receiver extension.
ATF side no-go on that, so they started not cutting the trigger area, but are now allowed to thread for the RE.
$129 isn't too bad for a 80% lower. There are instructions and jigs out there. Poor mans route would be a jig and a good drill press and you can complete it.


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 Post subject: Re: 95% lower
PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:40 pm 
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Poor mans route would be a jig and a good drill press and you can complete it.


"poor mans route" would be to buy a completely machined lower.


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 Post subject: Re: 95% lower
PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:50 am 
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gremlingarage wrote:
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Poor mans route would be a jig and a good drill press and you can complete it.


"poor mans route" would be to buy a completely machined lower.

:D +1 Poor man's/lazy man's...Palmetto stripped lower, $50 when they have them on sale, tough to beat.


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 Post subject: Re: 95% lower
PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:53 am 
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Wahnsinn wrote:
gremlingarage wrote:
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Poor mans route would be a jig and a good drill press and you can complete it.


"poor mans route" would be to buy a completely machined lower.

:D +1 Poor man's/lazy man's...Palmetto stripped lower, $50 when they have them on sale, tough to beat.

http://www.palmettostatearmory.com/1560.php
I was getting ready to post what you did, If you can have a turn key receiver for <$100 why would you buy one that needs machine work for 2-3X as much?


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 Post subject: Re: 95% lower
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:06 am 
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Well, I can see the point about "being off the grid" by finishing your own % lower, but if you've already got guns...especially NFA stuff...too late :D


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 Post subject: Re: 95% lower
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:40 pm 
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Wahnsinn wrote:
Well, I can see the point about "being off the grid" by finishing your own % lower, but if you've already got guns...especially NFA stuff...too late :D


But when they come for all the guns that they have documentations on you having via Form1/4/4473 they won't get that one!

That's the appeal, no documentation of you having that one!

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 Post subject: Re: 95% lower
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:59 pm 
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I think they'll have to take all the lathes when they take all the guns.

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 Post subject: Re: 95% lower
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:50 pm 
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I have guns that I've lost over the years, or rusted out, or sold to friends, etc. I don't see why you couldn't just use that excuse for a few guns you have buried somewhere, if a Stalin backed foo man choo type came calling.


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 Post subject: Re: 95% lower
PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:46 pm 
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gremlingarage wrote:
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Poor mans route would be a jig and a good drill press and you can complete it.


"poor mans route" would be to buy a completely machined lower.



+1. Thats what I did. Paid $89 for an uncomplete and $208 for a complete with tapco xpandable stock and bushmaster internals.

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 Post subject: Re: 95% lower
PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:22 pm 
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Wahnsinn wrote:
...especially NFA stuff...too late :D

There's more than a few friends of mine that call me the "miner's canary" for that very reason! :)

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 Post subject: Re: 95% lower
PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:38 pm 
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O2HeN2 wrote:
Wahnsinn wrote:
...especially NFA stuff...too late :D

There's more than a few friends of mine that call me the "miner's canary" for that very reason! :)

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:lol: Nice.


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 Post subject: Re: 95% lower
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:25 pm 
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Yep... definitely for the cuckoo bird crowd.... or guys who just want the challenge of it without having to thread the RE and broach the mag well.


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 Post subject: Re: 95% lower
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:52 pm 
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I love making stuff, so I'm gonna get an 80% lower eventually, but bad-ass ones in billet can be had for for $99, so I'll get that.

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