Reloader For Hire 223 or 5.56
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Reloader For Hire 223 or 5.56
Have you always wanted to match your ammo with your rifle but did not want to spend the money to get the correct equipment to make it?
Have you been saving your brass in hope that one day you will find time to reload it all?
Let me do it for you.
All I need is some basic info to get started
Your barrel length, barrel twist, chamber pressure .223 (most bolt guns) or 5.56 (most AR's and all M-16's)
The components I will need from you to get started: Brass, Bullets, Powder, and Primers.
You can have all the components shipped directly to me from your supplier to save time and cost.
1000 pieces of brass
The brand is not particularly important. Different brands have slightly different case volumes due to variations in case wall thickness. Mixed head stamp brass is okay to use but will give you mixed ballistics resulting in different muzzle velocities. It will still fire and cycle properly but accuracy will be slightly diminished. This is a concern for you varmint hunters.
1000 bullets
bullets less than 50 gns might not cycle in the AR platform. Bullets more than 67 gns may not stabilize in flight without a faster twist rate (1:7). If barrel is 1:9 between 16'' and 20" keep the weight between 55 and 67gn. It is recommended that bullets have a cannelure for use in the AR platform.
Powder
4 lbs of Hodgdon 335 per 1000 cartridges (best all around powder). I can work up loads using any powder you choose
Primers
CCI 400 small rifle primers are what I like. Any standard small rifle primers will work.
If you want better consistency bench rest primers are the way to go. Mil spec primers like the CCI 41's use a thicker metal to guard against slam fire. Keep your weapon clean and you will have no use for this added protection.
I take loading very seriously and do not cut corners to save time or cost. Here is a basic breakdown of my process.
1. Used brass is cleaned and inspected. New brass is inspected
2. Used brass is deprimed and correctly sized in relation to the shoulder. New brass skips this.
3. All brass is measured from the shoulder and correctly trimmed to proper length.
4. Military brass has the primer pocket correctly swaged while supporting the web to remove the crimp.
5. All brass cleaned and inspected
6. Primers are inserted, powder is charged, bullet is seated, and a taper crimp is applied
7. Final inspection.
8. Test and evaluate for Muzzle velocity and accuracy in both 16'' and 20'' 1:9 barrel.
Using all new components the cost for the first 1000 rounds assembled is $170. Additional 1000 round lots ordered at the same time of same components and configuration is $120 per 1000 cartridges.
$30 fee per 1000 pieces for removing the primer crimp on military brass
Return shipping is loose packed in 500 round boxes for $12 per box. Additional shipping, packing, and insurance options are available.
Thank you,
Steve Kelly
636-448-6686
Have you been saving your brass in hope that one day you will find time to reload it all?
Let me do it for you.
All I need is some basic info to get started
Your barrel length, barrel twist, chamber pressure .223 (most bolt guns) or 5.56 (most AR's and all M-16's)
The components I will need from you to get started: Brass, Bullets, Powder, and Primers.
You can have all the components shipped directly to me from your supplier to save time and cost.
1000 pieces of brass
The brand is not particularly important. Different brands have slightly different case volumes due to variations in case wall thickness. Mixed head stamp brass is okay to use but will give you mixed ballistics resulting in different muzzle velocities. It will still fire and cycle properly but accuracy will be slightly diminished. This is a concern for you varmint hunters.
1000 bullets
bullets less than 50 gns might not cycle in the AR platform. Bullets more than 67 gns may not stabilize in flight without a faster twist rate (1:7). If barrel is 1:9 between 16'' and 20" keep the weight between 55 and 67gn. It is recommended that bullets have a cannelure for use in the AR platform.
Powder
4 lbs of Hodgdon 335 per 1000 cartridges (best all around powder). I can work up loads using any powder you choose
Primers
CCI 400 small rifle primers are what I like. Any standard small rifle primers will work.
If you want better consistency bench rest primers are the way to go. Mil spec primers like the CCI 41's use a thicker metal to guard against slam fire. Keep your weapon clean and you will have no use for this added protection.
I take loading very seriously and do not cut corners to save time or cost. Here is a basic breakdown of my process.
1. Used brass is cleaned and inspected. New brass is inspected
2. Used brass is deprimed and correctly sized in relation to the shoulder. New brass skips this.
3. All brass is measured from the shoulder and correctly trimmed to proper length.
4. Military brass has the primer pocket correctly swaged while supporting the web to remove the crimp.
5. All brass cleaned and inspected
6. Primers are inserted, powder is charged, bullet is seated, and a taper crimp is applied
7. Final inspection.
8. Test and evaluate for Muzzle velocity and accuracy in both 16'' and 20'' 1:9 barrel.
Using all new components the cost for the first 1000 rounds assembled is $170. Additional 1000 round lots ordered at the same time of same components and configuration is $120 per 1000 cartridges.
$30 fee per 1000 pieces for removing the primer crimp on military brass
Return shipping is loose packed in 500 round boxes for $12 per box. Additional shipping, packing, and insurance options are available.
Thank you,
Steve Kelly
636-448-6686
There is an 11 to 17 minute response time to a 911 call. You can either choose to put effective rounds on target, neutralizing the threat, or try to find a telephone. The person who killed you while you were dialing 911 will have enough time to cook a frozen pizza before the "Badged Historians" show up to draw the chalk line.
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Maybe, but majority here are professionals and expect things to be on par. If they are, I am sure he will say. If not, it needed to be brought out.GonePostal wrote:Damn man I can see some concern here but it appears everyone is just crapping this guys thread up.
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I'll admit that I think some of you are a little ridiculous. The bombardment of "OMG did he pay his $10 a year or didn't he" is a little much from this crowd so I thought.
If you want full disclosure I have no problem with that.
I applied for an 06 along with an 01 and am waiting to hear back. I am making this my full time job. I am also going the SOT route.
Back story
I had the chance to either start an indoor range and gun store or a car dealership. I chose the car dealership because it was cheaper to start and firearms were heavily regulated. Since that decision so many years ago I have seen concealed carry pass, the sunset of the AWB, suppressors legalized, and countless pro gun measures pass in my state. Last year was a horrible year in auto sales and I made the choice to quit before I lost everything. I made the right choice. I sold my car dealership last September and have decided to turn my hobby into a job. I have been loading ammo without a single problem for 14 years. I have spent thousands of dollars over the years getting the best equipment and dies. I live in the gun culture and openly fight for its survival. I pass out information on how to obtain concealed carry permits to law abiding like minded individuals all the time. I debunk anti-gunners using logic and an open mind daily. If I am at the range and you are interested in shooting anything I have with me you are more than welcome too. I have personally helped more people than I can count go through the steps to obtain NFA items.
An 06 FFL is a joke. It is only a license to profit from ammo sales, nothing else. You do not need any form of education to obtain one other than the ability to correctly fill out a personal banking check every three years.
I am however getting one anyway, not because it is needed, but because there are a lot of people out there (and apparently on this board) that freak out if you don't have some sort of license obtained from some federal agency.
Also the ATF does not require insurance to obtain a 06 but I am shopping around anyway just for personal protection, however a simple LLC will solve any problems I might have from the people I have talked to.
It surprises me to see that within a group of people that is already regulated extensively that there is concern among them to make sure everyone else stays heavily regulated.
Actually since I am using your components and all I am offering is the labor I am not sure that an 06 is even relevant. I am not selling ammo I made which is all the 06 is good for.
If you want full disclosure I have no problem with that.
I applied for an 06 along with an 01 and am waiting to hear back. I am making this my full time job. I am also going the SOT route.
Back story
I had the chance to either start an indoor range and gun store or a car dealership. I chose the car dealership because it was cheaper to start and firearms were heavily regulated. Since that decision so many years ago I have seen concealed carry pass, the sunset of the AWB, suppressors legalized, and countless pro gun measures pass in my state. Last year was a horrible year in auto sales and I made the choice to quit before I lost everything. I made the right choice. I sold my car dealership last September and have decided to turn my hobby into a job. I have been loading ammo without a single problem for 14 years. I have spent thousands of dollars over the years getting the best equipment and dies. I live in the gun culture and openly fight for its survival. I pass out information on how to obtain concealed carry permits to law abiding like minded individuals all the time. I debunk anti-gunners using logic and an open mind daily. If I am at the range and you are interested in shooting anything I have with me you are more than welcome too. I have personally helped more people than I can count go through the steps to obtain NFA items.
An 06 FFL is a joke. It is only a license to profit from ammo sales, nothing else. You do not need any form of education to obtain one other than the ability to correctly fill out a personal banking check every three years.
I am however getting one anyway, not because it is needed, but because there are a lot of people out there (and apparently on this board) that freak out if you don't have some sort of license obtained from some federal agency.
Also the ATF does not require insurance to obtain a 06 but I am shopping around anyway just for personal protection, however a simple LLC will solve any problems I might have from the people I have talked to.
It surprises me to see that within a group of people that is already regulated extensively that there is concern among them to make sure everyone else stays heavily regulated.
Actually since I am using your components and all I am offering is the labor I am not sure that an 06 is even relevant. I am not selling ammo I made which is all the 06 is good for.
There is an 11 to 17 minute response time to a 911 call. You can either choose to put effective rounds on target, neutralizing the threat, or try to find a telephone. The person who killed you while you were dialing 911 will have enough time to cook a frozen pizza before the "Badged Historians" show up to draw the chalk line.
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Stockholm syndrome is a psychological response sometimes seen in abducted hostages, in which the hostage shows signs of loyalty to the hostage-taker, regardless of the danger or risk in which they have been placed. The syndrome is named after the Norrmalmstorg robbery of Kreditbanken at Norrmalmstorg in Stockholm, in which the bank robbers held bank employees hostage from August 23 to August 28 in 1973. In this case, the victims became emotionally attached to their victimizers, and even defended their captors after they were freed from their six-day ordeal. The term "Stockholm Syndrome" was coined by the criminologist and psychiatrist Nils Bejerot, who assisted the police during the robbery, and referred to the syndrome in a news broadcast.
There is a little of this in here I think. Otherwise I would of had questions like:
How long have you been loading ammo?
What other calibers are you set up for?
Not just the OMG is he licensed?
There is a little of this in here I think. Otherwise I would of had questions like:
How long have you been loading ammo?
What other calibers are you set up for?
Not just the OMG is he licensed?
There is an 11 to 17 minute response time to a 911 call. You can either choose to put effective rounds on target, neutralizing the threat, or try to find a telephone. The person who killed you while you were dialing 911 will have enough time to cook a frozen pizza before the "Badged Historians" show up to draw the chalk line.
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Go back and re-read both of my posts, I never said anything about a license.
I've been in manufacturing for my entire adult life, I would never consider doing any service or manufacturing without liability insurance.
Let's just say there is a rare flaw in the new brass the customer supplied to you to load for him. Let's say it only affects 10 casing of the 1000 and it slips past your QC to no fault of yours. Let's just say their is a freak case seperation and the shooter ends up getting injured; burned on his face for the sake of argument (the jury would love a burned face).
They will sue you, who will pay these legal fees? This could get very expensive?
The LLC can protect your personal assets provided you don't do anything negligent. Beware right and wrong has nothing to do with the outcome in court but rather what you can prove. What if a slimy defense attorney can get the judge/jury to believe you were negligent, then the protection provided by the LLC will not protect your personal assets.
Liability insurance my good friend, liability insurance.
I've been in manufacturing for my entire adult life, I would never consider doing any service or manufacturing without liability insurance.
Let's just say there is a rare flaw in the new brass the customer supplied to you to load for him. Let's say it only affects 10 casing of the 1000 and it slips past your QC to no fault of yours. Let's just say their is a freak case seperation and the shooter ends up getting injured; burned on his face for the sake of argument (the jury would love a burned face).
They will sue you, who will pay these legal fees? This could get very expensive?
The LLC can protect your personal assets provided you don't do anything negligent. Beware right and wrong has nothing to do with the outcome in court but rather what you can prove. What if a slimy defense attorney can get the judge/jury to believe you were negligent, then the protection provided by the LLC will not protect your personal assets.
Liability insurance my good friend, liability insurance.
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who do you use?
There is an 11 to 17 minute response time to a 911 call. You can either choose to put effective rounds on target, neutralizing the threat, or try to find a telephone. The person who killed you while you were dialing 911 will have enough time to cook a frozen pizza before the "Badged Historians" show up to draw the chalk line.
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Thanks for the additional information. I don't think it's strange for people to want to know if the business you were offering to provide was legal or not since no mention of any FFL was made in the original post. I still say it's strange to advertise services you cannot yet legally render (since you say the paperwork is pending) but whatever.
All's resolved I suppose.
All's resolved I suppose.
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You don't need a license to load someone else ammo, and the license itself is just for profiting from the sale of ammo not for actually making it. You do not need a license to make ammo...only selling it for profit.
There is an 11 to 17 minute response time to a 911 call. You can either choose to put effective rounds on target, neutralizing the threat, or try to find a telephone. The person who killed you while you were dialing 911 will have enough time to cook a frozen pizza before the "Badged Historians" show up to draw the chalk line.
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Exactly.steve7478 wrote:You don't need a license to load someone else ammo, and the license itself is just for profiting from the sale of ammo not for actually making it. You do not need a license to make ammo...only selling it for profit.
steve7478 wrote:Using all new components the cost for the first 1000 rounds assembled is $170. Additional 1000 round lots ordered at the same time of same components and configuration is $120 per 1000 cartridges.
$30 fee per 1000 pieces for removing the primer crimp on military brass
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When is the last time your m16 blew up?
It is impossible to put a double powder charge of H335 in a 5.56 case.
The big scare comes from using reloads in 45 acp, 30-06, 38 special and any other cartridge that was developed using black powder. Modern powder is much more powerful than BP. The cases are large to accept a larger powder load because weak powder was what was available. You can accidentally double the powder in a 45 very easily. A 45 acp case will hold 19 grains of powder where as the the max powder charge using the same modern powder is only 6 grains.
A 5.56 cartridge has a maximum capacity of 33 grains of H335 where as the max powder charge According to the Army Ammunition Data Sheets (TM 43-0001-27) is 26.1 of the same powder.
So it is possible to put 316% of the recommended max powder load into a 45acp and 126% of the recommended max powder load in a 5.56.
Point being that you would have powder spilling out of a 5.56 if it was charged twice clearly alerting the manufacturer of a problem. Not to mention it would have to get by the mechanical powder checking system also.
So if your $17,000 rifle blows up it will most likely be because of a barrel obstruction or piss poor maintenance and not an over charged case.
It is impossible to put a double powder charge of H335 in a 5.56 case.
The big scare comes from using reloads in 45 acp, 30-06, 38 special and any other cartridge that was developed using black powder. Modern powder is much more powerful than BP. The cases are large to accept a larger powder load because weak powder was what was available. You can accidentally double the powder in a 45 very easily. A 45 acp case will hold 19 grains of powder where as the the max powder charge using the same modern powder is only 6 grains.
A 5.56 cartridge has a maximum capacity of 33 grains of H335 where as the max powder charge According to the Army Ammunition Data Sheets (TM 43-0001-27) is 26.1 of the same powder.
So it is possible to put 316% of the recommended max powder load into a 45acp and 126% of the recommended max powder load in a 5.56.
Point being that you would have powder spilling out of a 5.56 if it was charged twice clearly alerting the manufacturer of a problem. Not to mention it would have to get by the mechanical powder checking system also.
So if your $17,000 rifle blows up it will most likely be because of a barrel obstruction or piss poor maintenance and not an over charged case.
There is an 11 to 17 minute response time to a 911 call. You can either choose to put effective rounds on target, neutralizing the threat, or try to find a telephone. The person who killed you while you were dialing 911 will have enough time to cook a frozen pizza before the "Badged Historians" show up to draw the chalk line.
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I bet if I offered free test ammo you wouldn't have any issues with my proposal.
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Here is what a blowed up M16 looks like, typically either an undercharged case that detornates rather than progressive burns, or the wrong powder is used and someone uses bullseye instead of AA2230 or some similar goof. The lower receiver usually survives.
I see from your post that in regards to insurance/LLC you are interested in protecting your assetts but what about the customers assetts?
I see from your post that in regards to insurance/LLC you are interested in protecting your assetts but what about the customers assetts?
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My powder check system checks for under and over charged cases. As for mixing up the powder... never done it.
That is a great picture of a very bad day. Where did you get it?
That is a great picture of a very bad day. Where did you get it?
There is an 11 to 17 minute response time to a 911 call. You can either choose to put effective rounds on target, neutralizing the threat, or try to find a telephone. The person who killed you while you were dialing 911 will have enough time to cook a frozen pizza before the "Badged Historians" show up to draw the chalk line.
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