Records used to locate owners in a SHTF

[mhuffman]

I remember when they were all open posts, when the MP's would give you a ride home and the partner would drive your car for you, and I remember when they had strippers in the "I" bar at Benning.

[YugoRPK]

Speaking as a LEO if you have a gun and do not tell me about it, it can be a very bad day for everyone, but if you tell me about it most of the time that is a large step in you favor, you just need to not flunk the attitude test. If you do that it will just about take God himself to get you off with out something, but that is gun on not.

Tell me where in the RCW it states one has to declare. You sound like you're on a power trip and ripe for the LEO bashing often found here.

Edit: Saw from your profile that you're military. Bad idea to take a gun on FLW or McChord unless it's registered on base.

There is no requirement to tell an officer about a Concealed Pistol Permit in Washington. Ive only had 2 run ins with dickhead cops in the last 20 years in Washington and believe me I flunked the "attitude test" with those jackasses both times. Iv'e never mentioned my CPP to them though. Not their business.

[jppd47]

Never snipe from your house though. Occupying forces usually have nothing against using a tank to destroy a house that someone is sniping from...

+1 Heres a clip form the tank unit attached to us in Najaf

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... oid=491543

[CDAT]

Speaking as a LEO if you have a gun and do not tell me about it, it can be a very bad day for everyone, but if you tell me about it most of the time that is a large step in you favor, you just need to not flunk the attitude test. If you do that it will just about take God himself to get you off with out something, but that is gun on not.

Tell me where in the RCW it states one has to declare. You sound like you're on a power trip and ripe for the LEO bashing often found here.

Edit: Saw from your profile that you're military. Bad idea to take a gun on FLW or McChord unless it's registered on base.

There is no requirement to tell an officer about a Concealed Pistol Permit in Washington. Ive only had 2 run ins with dickhead cops in the last 20 years in Washington and believe me I flunked the "attitude test" with those jackasses both times. Iv'e never mentioned my CPP to them though. Not their business.

I am not a local office I am a federal officer working off state land and so the RCW do not apply there it is a "gun free zone" not counting us, and some time other officers (not my call I do not make the rules).

[MD3C]

Speaking as a LEO if you have a gun and do not tell me about it, it can be a very bad day for everyone, but if you tell me about it most of the time that is a large step in you favor, you just need to not flunk the attitude test. If you do that it will just about take God himself to get you off with out something, but that is gun on not.

I expect you to have weapons, why expect me of anything less?
I carry weapons for my job, have federal arrest authority at work, and have never disclosed having any weapons in my POV when stopped. If asked, of course I would comply.
I always have a great attitude, when stopped.
M

[MicroGuy]

I doubt there will be another Katrina style roundup anytime soon. A confiscation would come with the invocation of the Emergency War Powers Act which gives force to 470 provisions of Federal law.

There have been several already. At least one was out in the Midwest, after a tornado. They went around collecting all the firearms, stopping people from entering the area etc....


Yeah, I fully expect it will happen again, and again.... Until people start fighting back, and LOTS of cops/military die from trying to do so.

(and that gets into the press)


From what I have seen, it seems to be pretty much SOP to dis-arm the public after such an event. IF they can get away with it.

[schutzen]

mhuffman,

I remember when they were all open posts, when the MP's would give you a ride home and the partner would drive your car for you, and I remember when they had strippers in the "I" bar at Benning.

They were some cool times back then, nude bar girls leading practice PLF's off the pin ball machines with an O4 orchestrating the show.

Good times, good friends, and memories for a life time; Benning School for Boys.

[Kuting]

This is more likely to happen in a 1939 type situation.

[f.2]

go to the sporting goods store. from the files obtain forms 4473. these will contain description of weapons and lists of private ownership.

[zeezee]

If they've got an invasion force big enough to do that all over the country, all at once, then we're fucked anyway, 'cause it would mean we've been invaded by like 10,000,000 troops within a few hours.

Plus, whatever NFA stuff was out there and known about would be quickly "supplemented" by "other stuff".... not to mention what would be picked up off the numerous battlefields.

And aside from HMG's, MDMG's and LMG's, there wouldn't be much of a difference between an AR15 and an M16 or M4 in the hands of civvies shooting back.

If I were ever trying to kill someone with a rifle, I'd be on "semi" and aiming very carefully.

I really don't see a foreign power invading us, I fear our own socialist government trying to turn the tables on us. Some where down the line they are going to come after our firearms, they have to if they ever want total control.

[ctdonath]

I was reminded this week that within 4 days of Pearl Harbor, the 1940 Census had been used to identify 110,000 citizens for unjustified incarceration.

(Tangent: that means over the last century odds have been 1 in 2800 that any citizen answering the census had their life ruined using that data.)

[st33ve0]

I was reminded this week that within 4 days of Pearl Harbor, the 1940 Census had been used to identify 110,000 citizens for unjustified incarceration.

(Tangent: that means over the last century odds have been 1 in 2800 that any citizen answering the census had their life ruined using that data.)

If it's that type of SHTF I don't plan on hanging around at my place for four days...

[CanNotHear]

Yeah, I think I will just stick around and be like "Oh! My firearms! Here you go! Here's my phone number - please let me know when I can have them back?"

[kingair76py]

lol, FEMA.. take guns? hell they cant even help people a month after a hurricane hit lol.. but i do hear yall.... I was a deputy sheriff for 8 years in north Alabama.. and as far as a force coming in like on Red-Dawn... yea theres like 7,500 citizens per one police officer in America.. you can only police people as much as they are going to allow you to police them until there is an uprising against the system... and I sure hope we would all whoop another country before each other.. and for a quick note... if there is a ban on guns or NFA weapons-well guess whos calling 911 and reporting all of mine stolen yep this guy right here<---------- thats who, and my toys will be in a well lubed sealed bag somewhere on familys 700 acre farm.. so let 25 agents buy some shiney new metal detectors and search for 10 years(just for mine) oh yea, dont think itll pick up 4' down

[kingair76py]

Speaking as a LEO if you have a gun and do not tell me about it, it can be a very bad day for everyone, but if you tell me about it most of the time that is a large step in you favor, you just need to not flunk the attitude test. If you do that it will just about take God himself to get you off with out something, but that is gun on not.

I expect you to have weapons, why expect me of anything less?
I carry weapons for my job, have federal arrest authority at work, and have never disclosed having any weapons in my POV when stopped. If asked, of course I would comply.
I always have a great attitude, when stopped.
M

a good atitude goes a LONG, LONG, LONG way.... on the side of the road with blue/red lights flashing..

[medic52]

I have about 25 guns that have no record............and about 20 that do...

[Queso Grande]

I have about 25 guns that have no record............and about 20 that do...

No secret now.

[YugoRPK]

I sold all mine a long time ago....

[TEXMEX]

Speaking as a LEO if you have a gun and do not tell me about it, it can be a very bad day for everyone, but if you tell me about it most of the time that is a large step in you favor, you just need to not flunk the attitude test. If you do that it will just about take God himself to get you off with out something, but that is gun on not.

So if I don't tell you I have a gun, how will you know if I have one or not? Sounds like you are the one with an attitude.

[kilibreaux]

FEMA does have a LOT of power during an emergency. FEMA's power circumvents the U.S. Constitution based on exigent circumstances.
As for what happens during a traffic stop that depends on where one is located AND on how one presents themselves. I have carried firearms for decades and been stopped but never searched or hassled because I had enough sense to act like an adult and treat the police with respect...and there is no reason anyone should presume the police do not deserve it. the police have a tough job, and they deal with the literal SCUM of society on an hourly basis, I think we who are law-abiding decent citizens can give them respect.
During my life I have owned and carried a number of illegal weapons and never once worried about the cops...why? Simple, because I'm smart enough not to be running around "brandishing" in public and generally making an ass out of myself....but punks and retards just don't have that awareness.
When this country is invaded by a foreign power....actually I have to call bullshit on this, IF this country is ever invaded by outside forces it is because the current government allowed it to happen, so enough on that scenario.
As for the current situation of rounding up form 4473's and finding out who owns what, bear in mind that will turn out to be a VERY tedious job which consumes enormous man-hours of attention. At the same time, realize the REASON for all this record-keeping is purely BECAUSE the Federal government wants to have some trail to follow. Gun registration, whether point of sale or keep on person is ALL ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT WANTING TO CONTROL THE PEOPLE!
What I find amazing is that beyond the Second Ammendment which stipulates the individual's right to posses firearms EQUAL to that of the government sponsored military (Summer 2009 Supreme Court decision), not a single "gun law" is constitutional....not one. Sure, States claim they have the authority to set in place more restriction but that is clearly in violation of the 14th Ammendment which came into being to enforce the 13th which was freeing of the slaves. The 14th essentially makes the United States Constitution the law of not just national policy but State as well.
The problem is that many who are gun ownere think the miscreants should be denied access and so support incremental encroachment of our Bill of Rights, but they do so out of arrogance and stupidity..."elitism" to be more precise. LET the social miscreants have all the guns they want...but at the same time let the PEOPLE be equally armed as a counterbalancing force and the ONLY way to accomplish that is to have ZERO restrictions on firearms. Sure, let anyone who desires go an buy a machinegun...so what, statistics have proven for DECADES that law-abiding citizens are not turned into gun-weilding, murdering fiends simply because they possess a particular type of firearm. The same statistics have long shown that the criminal element couldn't give a s--t about restrictive gun laws because they'll always be in possession of firearms as a normal part of living in their world.
So enact restrictive gun laws and the end result is well armed criminals and an unarmed populace due to people's natural fear of losing everything they've worked for if they break an illegal "law". At the same time the criminals will have guns and be ever more encouraged to use them because they have little fear of immediate reprisal.
Look at all the notable mass shootings...always punks who show up armed to the teeth and start capping--UNARMED people. Be aware that there are MANY situations where assholes decided to go on a shooting spree in parts of the country where the general populace is well armed and that individual found his "rampage" cut short...but of course that doesn't make the evening news.
Anyway, for all you who are quivering in your boots over the Feds coming to find you my advice is to get rid of everything you ever purchased on paper and learn to build what you need from raw components....

[kingair76py]

bravo brother, bravo...

[TRX]

I have my firearms in two physically separated groups - those which have paper, and those which do not.

NFAs, 4473s, C&Rs, ones listed on insurance policies, one .45 that was stolen during a break-in and then recovered... somewhere, each one has a paper trail. The FTF and DIYs do not.

Dogs and metal detectors could likely find most of the ones in the house with no paper, and their ammunition. Of course, not everything is in the house. In fact, a few aren't even on property I own.

It's not (entirely) paranoia. "SHTF" could also involve making bail or compliance with parole, a domestic violence charge, bankruptcy, etc.

[ick]

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In the movie Red Dawn from 1984 in the plot that is one of the first things the occupying force did... obtain the records of firearms owners.

I wonder if the remake of Red Dawn will include this detail about gathering paperwork to disarm an occupied area.

Apparently the Chinese invade in this one. Original release date was this November, but apparently that is no longer the case. I bet this comes out in the spring.

http://www.beyondhollywood.com/has-the- ... mgms-mess/

Watch the old movie advertisement at the link. It will give you chills....

[doubloon]

Yeah, I think I will just stick around and be like "Oh! My firearms! Here you go! Here's my phone number - please let me know when I can have them back?"

Exactly ... if the S really were to HTF good luck finding me at the address on all those stupid forms.

[J Krammes]

I will be giving my bullets to the invading force long before they ever get to the papers. They will not be able to survive outside of the cities.

Jeremy