Suppressors as SHTF gear?
Suppressors as SHTF gear?
Does anybody view their suppressors as SHTF prep gear?
One of the reasons for my wanting a .22lr suppressed pistol is for just this reason. The ability to take small game quietly could be very important in a SHTF situation.
I know this is a VERY unused forum, but I figured I'd throw something in here for kicks...
One of the reasons for my wanting a .22lr suppressed pistol is for just this reason. The ability to take small game quietly could be very important in a SHTF situation.
I know this is a VERY unused forum, but I figured I'd throw something in here for kicks...
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Your best bet for SHTF are conibear traps. 110s for squirrels and rabbits 220s for raccoons, small dogs large cats, and a couple 280s or 330s for large dogs
http://www.nwtrappers.com/catalog/traps/vt/vtc.asp
Peoples pets will be an excellent food source in cities if the SHTF. Out in the country nail those raccoons in the 220s, and snare deer in steel cable snares with locks. Deer snares can be made dirt cheap. You could set up hundreds of them and nail all kinds of deer.
Gill nets are also awesome if you have a lake near by. I’ve never been able to get fish traps to woke correctly. There’s a lot of trial and error with the funnel size that I don’t have time for.
Also, if you have a predetermined location that you will leave to consider getting into bee keeping. You can use the honey for yourself, as well as it’s a universal bait for trapping.
Get a good suppressed center fire rifle to defend your life. And a small accurate suppressed rim fire pistol or rifle to pop a snared deer in the head with. Don’t think you just going to head for the woods and live off the land with a .22 pistol and a good knife.
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http://www.nwtrappers.com/catalog/traps/vt/vtc.asp
Peoples pets will be an excellent food source in cities if the SHTF. Out in the country nail those raccoons in the 220s, and snare deer in steel cable snares with locks. Deer snares can be made dirt cheap. You could set up hundreds of them and nail all kinds of deer.
Gill nets are also awesome if you have a lake near by. I’ve never been able to get fish traps to woke correctly. There’s a lot of trial and error with the funnel size that I don’t have time for.
Also, if you have a predetermined location that you will leave to consider getting into bee keeping. You can use the honey for yourself, as well as it’s a universal bait for trapping.
Get a good suppressed center fire rifle to defend your life. And a small accurate suppressed rim fire pistol or rifle to pop a snared deer in the head with. Don’t think you just going to head for the woods and live off the land with a .22 pistol and a good knife.
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It all depends on what type of SHTF. There is only one highway out of town so, I either go East or West along with 4 million give or take, other people. How far do I get on one tank of gas in highway gridlock? I've been parked on I-35 for an hour in the high speed lane before so, my options may not be as good as some of the more fortunate who don't live in the big city.
If I was in rural Oklahoma where I grew up, my chances would be much better. In the big cities, what are you going to do besides shoot the looters that want to take your rifle and food?
If I was in rural Oklahoma where I grew up, my chances would be much better. In the big cities, what are you going to do besides shoot the looters that want to take your rifle and food?
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I thought about cans as SHTF gear and thought they would come in useful as getting past "unofficial roadblocks" or to get out of a sticky situation before reinforcements arrive. Poaching also, but as mentioned above, traps are more effective, deniable, and are always "on duty".
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Yep. I've got my M4-2000 in a new MOLLE pouch from AAC on my "super tactical zombie basher" vest. I also have similar pouches on the bag in the picture for my Evo-9 and SCAR-SD.
I have cans for just about everything in the safe, with the exception of the 1919 and a couple hunting rifles (.270 and 7mm mag). It would be hard for me not to grab something with a can on it.
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I have cans for just about everything in the safe, with the exception of the 1919 and a couple hunting rifles (.270 and 7mm mag). It would be hard for me not to grab something with a can on it.
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I see very little tactical advantage to a suppressed .22lr that a pellet rifle doesn't offer.
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I agree that a can on a .22 can be a good way to land a meal - if you're in the woods, or a quite way to end a situation, if you're stuck in the city. But, like many of you, I'm in town and have serious doubts that this little 'burg will ever undergo some kind of urban war. If it does, then buggin' out might come into play. Since we've survived a couple of hurricanes over the past decade and I've only fired up the generator twice, I'm probably gonna bug-in. I've got the fuel, food and firearms to keep the house stocked and safe.
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GlockandRoll: So why exactly would BB gun be the best tool for the job? I have killed alot of squirrels and rabbits, mostly with .22's and shotguns, but a few with BB guns, and it is definately done most efficiently with a .22.
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Wow, where did you get that from? .22lr is an overachieving cartridge, and has fed a lot of families. It's certainly lethal.GlockandRoll wrote:A knife on a stick would be a faster way to kill something than a .22lr, seriously - you would be better off with a .177 pellet rifle.
Oh well. To each his own. We all have our biases, and I personally love the .22lr cartridge. I would consider a suppressed .22 a must have for a survival situation. I often carry a TPH as a "get off me gun."
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I tired to make this my signature, but it was too long:
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Never suppress a .22lr, they have little use for anything other than training young children to knock over soft drink cans. Going through the NFA hassle and expense for something with virtually no tactical value is - in my opinion - absurd. A .177 caliber pellet rifle is very quiet, and is just as well suited for small game, yet does not require a 4473, much less a form 4.
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Never suppress a .22lr, they have little use for anything other than training young children to knock over soft drink cans. Going through the NFA hassle and expense for something with virtually no tactical value is - in my opinion - absurd. A .177 caliber pellet rifle is very quiet, and is just as well suited for small game, yet does not require a 4473, much less a form 4.
Fair enough. I'll keep shooting my suppressed .22's. And you can keep shooting your air rifles.
My NFA toys have little Tactical Value, because that's not what I own them for. I don't do anything for a living that would require such things, nor do I want to. They are FUN. And few are more fun to me than my suppressed .22's.
I can see a "tactical value" in .22's because they are so quiet. The click of a firing pin, and a thud when it hits. With a well placed shot, they are incredibly lethal. But, that's still not why I own them.
It's interesting. In trap and skeet circles, the .410 and 28gauge are considered "aficianado" cartridges. We start with the light gauges as kids, and can't wait until we get to use the heavier kicking 12gauges like the adults. Eventually, most skeet shooters come to appreciate the smaller shells, and smaller more graceful guns that go with them. Part of it is spending a whole day breaking clays without the associated sore shoulder. There's a level of snob appeal for those who take the time to master them, while enjoying the light recoil, and low noise.
I look at the .22lr in much the same way. We start out with it as kids, and get all googly eyed over .45's, and .357's. Hunters become enfatuated with the super ultra mega magnums. Eventually, if you spend enough time at the range being battered by hard kicking magnums. You come to appreciate the light recoil, low noise and low cost of shooting .22's. Just because I can handle the recoil of heavier calibers, doesn't mean I want to.
My NFA toys have little Tactical Value, because that's not what I own them for. I don't do anything for a living that would require such things, nor do I want to. They are FUN. And few are more fun to me than my suppressed .22's.
I can see a "tactical value" in .22's because they are so quiet. The click of a firing pin, and a thud when it hits. With a well placed shot, they are incredibly lethal. But, that's still not why I own them.
It's interesting. In trap and skeet circles, the .410 and 28gauge are considered "aficianado" cartridges. We start with the light gauges as kids, and can't wait until we get to use the heavier kicking 12gauges like the adults. Eventually, most skeet shooters come to appreciate the smaller shells, and smaller more graceful guns that go with them. Part of it is spending a whole day breaking clays without the associated sore shoulder. There's a level of snob appeal for those who take the time to master them, while enjoying the light recoil, and low noise.
I look at the .22lr in much the same way. We start out with it as kids, and get all googly eyed over .45's, and .357's. Hunters become enfatuated with the super ultra mega magnums. Eventually, if you spend enough time at the range being battered by hard kicking magnums. You come to appreciate the light recoil, low noise and low cost of shooting .22's. Just because I can handle the recoil of heavier calibers, doesn't mean I want to.
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I was a big kid, so they started me on the .20, .243, and .45acp - even when I was eight.
Is an integral MK2 Ruger .22lr cool - you betcha - but I'm not going to dish out a grand for it, when a knife is even more silent and does not require paperwork.
And I can be fairly certain that I speak for the vast majority when I declare a much higher giggle factor when shooting my USP tactical w/HEMS, or Savage bolt with ThunderTrap and subisonics.
Is an integral MK2 Ruger .22lr cool - you betcha - but I'm not going to dish out a grand for it, when a knife is even more silent and does not require paperwork.
And I can be fairly certain that I speak for the vast majority when I declare a much higher giggle factor when shooting my USP tactical w/HEMS, or Savage bolt with ThunderTrap and subisonics.
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Noted: However are we not talking about WTSHTF, what does your plinking in the back yard have to do with this, respectfully?BigGreen wrote:I love suppressed .22's.
I can shoot a brick of 500 for $10 in my back yard, and my neighbors don't have a clue I am doing it. Find me 45 ACP for $10 a 500 , or send me the money to buy a brick a week, and I will start shooting the 45 far more often.