Do not conceed before the fight has really started

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Do not conceed before the fight has really started

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I'm so sick of hearing about the "coming ban" and what things people are willing to concede. We need to stand firm and not cave to the emotional pressure. The shooting in Newtown was tragic but we know that mass murders are very rare and a minute amount of deaths in this country. The "banners" are using the situation right now to further their cause. History has shown a further reduction in our rights will eventually erode them away. Conceding even "small" issues will eventually lead to a total ban.

We need to unite and not quibble over small disagreements. Contact you representatives at all levels; local, state and federal. Keep your message short and to the point. Support organizations that promote 2nd Amendment rights and shooting sports. Encourage your relatives and friends to do the same. Do not let the uninformed fall prey to the media, stay calm and set them straight. Do not relent in the fight.
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GOOD POINTS !
Both obama and reid seem to want it to die down; he appointed the classic "commission" to study the issue, and stated it will take "at least six months" to get feedback. The real enemy here is the media, who feed on this story like vampires. I post almost daily on the ny times commentary area, where 99% of the comments are vitriol based on the "gun culture"
My favorite other thing to do (three times now) is to call in to radio talk shows, taking the left's point of view, and taking it to an extreme, which makes them look even crazier. Like this:
HOST:" What's on your mind, caller ?"
ME, AS LIBERAL CRAZY: "We need to take away every gun there is, even hunting rifles - every single one ! If they won't turn them in, just go in every house that might have one, and pay for information from neighbors when they say they don't have any, but really do. We should set up special camps for these people to help them learn not to love guns, and I'm giving money to the brady campaign today so that this can happen"
After I hang up, people go INSANE and burn up the swithboard. What it really accomplishes is twofold: Someone who was on the fence or unsure about donations to Pro-Gun causes may be inclined to act; It moves the "Crazy" label from us to them.
I encourage all of you to do this. Callers with an anti-gun slant will rocket to the front of the line, as that's what most call screeners and radio producers want to hear. What they DON'T want to hear is someone who makes them all look unhinged.
Try it.
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The first thing I do when I read a post like yours is look at the post count. I see 19 posts and think to myself. Damn this guy will fit right in.
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+1 on that tactic. Way to think outside the box!
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I see the current "hoarding" of firearms is like trying to grab as much of your belonging and run upon hearing faint noises that intruder might enter your house. Running away will not prevent the intruder to come back for more. And he will come back for more until there is no more to take.
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I think we all know in our guts that they are going to find a way to come for our guns.

Whether it's handguns, or 'evil black rifles of Satan', or a Curly maple-stocked Win Mag with $1500 glass that gets shot a couple of times a year during deer season... it does not matter, they want them all and they will use any tragedy, voter bloc, unlawful means, legislative trick, media outlet, or public opinion poll to achieve their goal of disarmament.

I'm not playing their game anymore, because we CAN NOT WIN IT.

That game is rigged, always has been. The Republicans in our Government are almost as big a group of bought whores as the Democrats, and would sell us out for only a nickle more. Once the Supreme Court has at least one more committed Leftist idealogue appointed to it, you can kiss our Constitution and Bill of Rights away.

So I say screw it.

Let them pass their regulations, ban all the guns and mags they want. If there is ever going to be a confrontation between red vs. blue, left vs. right, let it start over guns and let it begin with them attempting to disarm us. A death by a thousand cuts is still a death, so I would much prefer a struggle that finally forces a small percentage of American gun-owners to stand up against a Federal Government that has very much turned a hostile eye towards us.

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I can't remember where I heard this from, but it's not my thought...

"The Republican Party has become the New Democrats, and Democrats have become the Socialist Party".

Therefore, we have become unrepresented.
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Let me see if I've got this right:

All Democrats are Socialists.
Socialists are really Communists.
Kalashnikovs are the preferred weapon of Communists.
All Democrats prefer Kalashnikovs.

I love sylogisms.
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Congress approval rating is all time low at 18%. I am not sure who they are represent.
Get rid of two party systems might be a good start. :D
snapshot wrote:I can't remember where I heard this from, but it's not my thought...

"The Republican Party has become the New Democrats, and Democrats have become the Socialist Party".

Therefore, we have become unrepresented.
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snapshot wrote:I can't remember where I heard this from, but it's not my thought...

"The Republican Party has become the New Democrats, and Democrats have become the Socialist Party".

Therefore, we have become unrepresented.


I have been saying this for the last 20 years. It really kicked into gear when Clinton came into office. Then everything started moving to the left. Both parties.

What everyone needs to do is go and talk to your sheriff and find out what side of the issue he is on. This will give you a heads up on what to plan for when everything has been exhausted. I have no faith in our courts and very little faith in our Federal (no longer federal) Government.
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I sent a letter to my local Sheriff and am waiting on an answer. We shall see.
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The POTUS drives this disarmament bus.

We haven't had a really good POTUS since Reagan. The problem is, these guys want, love, crave the power, will spend tens, hundreds of millions to become the President. Once there, they preen, strut, use Air Force 1 like a private jet, and generally make life miserable for everybody.

Here's my answer to bad presidents... we need a capable guy who doesn't necessarily want the job, but will do so out of a strong sense of duty and patriotism. When the Revolutionary war ended, George Washington just wanted to go back to his farm and maybe sip a little cider on the porch. Instead, they asked him to become president. He took the job because he knew he was needed.

While not a huge fan of the Congress or Senate, they are generally capable folk. Put all their names in a hat; pull one out. That guy is president for four years. You'll get people who will do it not because of a lust for power, but because they are asked to serve.
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Go back to the old way. People run for president only. The winner is the president and the loser the VP.
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Dear Sheriff ________________,

As the Chief Law Enforcement Officer in _______________County you were required to take an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic. Having taken that oath I would like to know if you will honor your oath by refusing to enforce Federal rules, regulations and directives that violate the Constitution and/or the Bill of Rights.

The Second Amendment clearly proclaims that the people have a right to own guns and in the Bill of Rights, the government is prohibited from infringing on the right of the people to own guns if they choose to do so.

Your primary job is to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution and the rights of the people that live in ______________ County. The Supreme Court has ruled that the Federal government has no lawful jurisdiction in the counties and that when a Sheriff chooses to enforce an unconstitutional directive, he is violating his Constitutional Oath.

The people of _______________ County are the employer and you are the employee and we expect you to represent us and not the Federal government. As your employer, I would like to know if you are given an order that violates the Constitution, will you honor your oath or will you do as directed by the President of the United States.

Sincerely,_________________
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Good letter.
bakerjw wrote:I sent a letter to my local Sheriff and am waiting on an answer. We shall see.
I still haven't heard anything from him so I assume that he would walk in step with the administration.
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