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My poor naive Sanders supporter son asked me why people were voting for Donald Trump yesterday. I told him that Donald does not really have the support of the Republican Party and that as far as I could tell the people coming out of their trailers and voting for him were the people that were too dumb to know it would be in their own best interest to vote as Democrats. In other words they were too stupid even to be good Democrats which is really bad.
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Arew you saying that Trump isn't a good Dem?
He certainly has been in the past. And he's following the Alinsky/Goebbel's playbook pretty well. The bigger the Lie, the more people swallow it. Divide and Conquer. Muddy the waters until people can't tell up from down, or left from right.
Pro-Abortion, until he's pro-Life.
Pro-Imminent Domain, and yet anti-gov't.
Will bring Apple mnfr back to USA, but get rid of Gov't regulation.

Bottom-line: He's everything to everyone. A living Rorschach test. One can see whatever and whoever they wish.
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It's not hard to understand the appeal of Bernie Sanders--FREE stuff. I hear the Bernie support from some people here where I live.

However, when you look at the Chavismo movement in Venezuela started by the late Hugo Chavez, you see how socialism eventually ends up--always. (Brazil and Argentina are other examples, but they haven't fallen as far as Venezuela at this time).

Forty years ago, Venezuela had the 4th highest per capita income of all countries in the world, because of the great amount of oil production as well as other resources. Today, they are broke, with inflation at 275% last year, GDP falling 10% last year, they just pawned their national gold bullion hoard to Switzerland to pay some bills, and can't even provide the most basic resources in their country. Venezuela is 3rd from the bottom in Economic Freedom, just above Cuba and North Korea.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ic-crisis/

That said, I have a feeling that Hillary may get indicted, and Bernie will actually be the Dem nominee for this election.

This is an unusual presidential election year--it may end up with outsiders in both political parties.

How to explain Donald Trump? Maybe he really has changed (his spots) over many issues. I really believe him about changing to become radically pro-2nd amendment as compared to what he said in the early 90's.
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Well... Let's see.
I don't live in a trailer. I own my home completely.
I am very educated and work as a system test engineer for a world fortune 10 corporation.
With the exception of a 24 month loan for my Jeep, I am debt free.
I expect and have never received any government assistance even though at one time my family was very poor.
I follow the news and politics very closely.

And I support Trump. I get derided all the time by friends and co-workers all the time about it. I just never realized how fucked up that I really am.

But, virtually every republican in the last 12 years has said all of the same sh!t that you hear from the likes of the Romneys and Rubios and NONE of them has done anything except capitulate to the whims of the current administration. I'll accept Trump with all of his flaws because I believe that he can flip blue states and that is what it will take to stop Hillary (I still expect Biden to run). The sad fact is that she is only a couple of swing states away from the big chair.
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Trump realizes that to renovate a Structure, it's sometimes necessary to demolish what's there and rebuild from ground up.

People have been yerning for a Revolution for many yrs. They view Trump as a vote for a NON-violent revolution.

Sanders would lead another type of revolution. 1903-1917. Abolishment of Private Property and Gov't control of Production/Distribution according to Party Loyalty.
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I dont for a minute think Sanders has any chance of getting nominated. I do think its going to be a Trump/Clinton race with Clinton coming out on top. There is still something deep inside telling me that Trump is doing all this to get Clinton elected President.
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People vote for Trump for the exact same reason they click or stop and watch anything that says "Kardashian."

Trump isn't a sign that all is lost, hopeless, and we are all doomed. He exists because we "are" those things.
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Hmmm.
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bakerjw wrote:I believe that he can flip blue states and that is what it will take to stop Hillary

He is hillary.

He support single payer. He has said the government is going to pay for health care and he likes the mandate. He has repeatably talked about "people dying in the streets", the which is what dems say to justify obama care.
He support the government picking winners and losers instead of the free market (subsidies)
He has said he would fast track deported illegals to let them back in.
He like emanate domain
His answer to everything is government

He is a cult of personalty just like obama, making grandiose claims about what he can do but never how he just will.
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I retired from the Air Force after 20 yrs of service to our Nation, and I followed Dave Ramsey financial peace program for years, in other words 'no trailer trash here'. I voted for Cruz in my home state of Texas because I want someone who is a constitutionalist and who is not a normal 'insider' within GOP.

With that said, I'd rather vote for Trump than any of the other GOP's (with the exception of Dr Carson whom I admire) because the GOP leadership has been letting us down for years. The GOP should have learned from their failed attempt to get Romney elected in 2012. Let the moderate voters choose who they want to run on the republican platform, and stop trying to force upon us who the 'GOP elite' want. It's shysters Karl Rove who are pulling Rubio's and Romney's leash to attack Trump. In other words, it's the GOP Elite who makes me want to vote for Trump even though I prefer Cruz. GOP Elites want someone whom they can control, and they will lie like a liberal in an attempt to keep Trump out of office.

Do I trust him, NO! But I hate GOP elites with a passion.
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tripntx wrote:I retired from the Air Force after 20 yrs of service to our Nation, and I followed Dave Ramsey financial peace program for years, in other words 'no trailer trash here'. I voted for Cruz in my home state of Texas because I want someone who is a constitutionalist and who is not a normal 'insider' within GOP.

With that said, I'd rather vote for Trump than any of the other GOP's (with the exception of Dr Carson whom I admire) because the GOP leadership has been letting us down for years. The GOP should have learned from their failed attempt to get Romney elected in 2012. Let the moderate voters choose who they want to run on the republican platform, and stop trying to force upon us who the 'GOP elite' want. It's shysters Karl Rove who are pulling Rubio's and Romney's leash to attack Trump. In other words, it's the GOP Elite who makes me want to vote for Trump even though I prefer Cruz. GOP Elites want someone whom they can control, and they will lie like a liberal in an attempt to keep Trump out of office.

Do I trust him, NO! But I hate GOP elites with a passion.
Trump help funded Mitch McConnell when he was primaried in 2014. I think McConnell is establishment.
After NRO published several opinion pieces that were against trump the lashed out and NRO was kicked out of the next debate to make him happy, but the establishment hates him?
Even trump him self said Cruz was more of an outsider and not establishment when he said that "Nobody in Congress likes him" and that he should be ashamed by the lack of senators endorsing him.
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Hokie wrote: Trump help funded Mitch McConnell when he was primaried in 2014. I think McConnell is establishment.
After NRO published several opinion pieces that were against trump the lashed out and NRO was kicked out of the next debate to make him happy, but the establishment hates him?
Even trump him self said Cruz was more of an outsider and not establishment when he said that "Nobody in Congress likes him" and that he should be ashamed by the lack of senators endorsing him.
Trump also donated to Hillary when she running for President in previous election, it's something rich people do to gain favors. Like I said, I don't trust him, but the GOP elites have made me despise people like Rubio, Romney, and Jeb.
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BTW, Cruz is doing very well tonight on the debate, while Rubio is starting to make me sick. I'd rather have Trump than GOP controlled Rubio.
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tripntx wrote:BTW, Cruz is doing very well tonight on the debate, while Rubio is starting to make me sick. I'd rather have Trump than GOP controlled Rubio.
After Rubio's great performance last debate, I hoped that Jerry Springer and Howard Stern would moderate a debate.
It was hilarious. Where was THIS Rubio last yr?

Trump's not doing well tonight. Personal namecalling and his face turning red under his orange glow.
"Little Marco. Cowardly Lion Cruz."

Trump: And quit telling us that you could settle your lawsuits very easily. Then pay up.
An Accused could settle murder charges very easily. Just plead guilty. Does that make Murder OK?
The Issue is that you have defrauded soooo many "little people." Workers, shopkeepers, retirees. Now we're going to elect someone for their Hyperbole and Grandiose Promises?
Run for Senate, establish a voting record, then return to run for Pres.
Just b/c you flip your positions doesn't mean that we have to elect you. MAINTAIN those positions. THEN we'll vote for you.
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whiterussian1974 wrote:
tripntx wrote:BTW, Cruz is doing very well tonight on the debate, while Rubio is starting to make me sick. I'd rather have Trump than GOP controlled Rubio.
After Rubio's great performance last debate, I hoped that Jerry Springer and Howard Stern would moderate a debate.
It was hilarious. Where was THIS Rubio last yr?

Trump's not doing well tonight. Personal namecalling and his face turning red under his orange glow.
"Little Marco. Cowardly Lion Cruz."

Trump: And quit telling us that you could settle your lawsuits very easily. Then pay up.
An Accused could settle murder charges very easily. Just plead guilty. Does that make Murder OK?
The Issue is that you have defrauded soooo many "little people." Workers, shopkeepers, retirees. Now we're going to elect someone for their Hyperbole and Grandiose Promises?
Run for Senate, establish a voting record, then return to run for Pres.
Just b/c you flip your positions doesn't mean that we have to elect you. MAINTAIN those positions. THEN we'll vote for you.
Marco didn't do well, other than for his strong 2A speech. Trump did poorly as usual, and continues to sound like a bully to me. Cruz did great, and John Kasich reminded me how good of a person he is. At this point, my preference is for Cruz then Kasich. I'd love to see Cruz and Kasich join forces, and bring Carson with them.

When it come to Rubio vs Trump, I'd rather have Trump because Rubio is a puppet for GOP Elitist. Let me reiterate, I do not trust Trump, but at least the GOP will not control him the way they will 'own' Rubio.

Who will I vote for in November? Whomever it is that is on the Republican ticket.
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What the GOPE needs to realize is that the Trump supporters are in it for the long haul. Cult of personality, yadda yadda yadda, it doesn't matter because we've heard it all for months and will not change our minds. Months of unrelenting attacks and name calling will do that to people. My wife, a die hard Cruz supporter, is actually taking note of the unending attacks. What I find invigorating is that the base of the GOP is standing up and fighting back against the establishment.

What everyone needs to realize is that the enemy IS the GOPE and Rubio is the last RINO standing.

I'll take Carson, Cruz or Trump but if the GOP tries to foist Rubio, Bush or Romney on us, it will bite them in the ass this November. If they thought turnout was low in 2012, they'll stroke out after 2016.


ETA... Rubio did vote for a park gun ban when he was a city councilman.
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Wait, you mean Obama didn't stop the oceans from continuing to rise?

What?!?!??!?!?

I am still waiting on Obama to fill my car with gas. We are almost to the end of the second term so I figure I got to be up for my turn soon.
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Howdy,

T-Rump is a __________ ( fill in what ever word/term/slur you like).

I find it funny how several of the Obama haters "claim" they hate he and Michelle because they dont "act" Presidential like Ron and Nancy but have wet dreams over T-Rump and his hooker/wannabee playboy bunny wife.

One retard went as far as stating the T-Rump's hooker wife would actually love her country.

I asked him "Yeah, but what about the USA?"

Since T-Rump has hit the campaign trail I have not heard him explain one single point to his any of the things that he said he would do or have I found a single T-Rump supported that could actually name a single reason why they support him because of his policies.

T-Rump just utters complete nonsense, brags about being rich and sucessful, having a highly profitable business, etc.

Plus he makes the goofiest expressions during the debates.

Has the worlds' worst combover with fake hair added to his combover ( wears a ballcap when he can't get his combover to look right), fake suntan complete with makeup, etc.

What really gets me is the fact he will tell and outright lie, get caught in the lie, tell another lie to cover for his lie, get caught again, tell another lie to cover for that lie, etc., etc., and the idiots still want to worship him.

Go figure.

The truly sad and disturbing thing is that he will say something during an interview and when questioned about it he will deny that he said "X". When they play him the video of the interview he always has a lame bs excuse for what he said and will continue to claim he never said "X" even after they replay the video to him. Then his supports will scream, shout, high-5 each other and have a wet dream in their pants.

Go figure.

If your a T-Rump supporter, just because you don't live in a trailerpark doesn't mean that you don't have a trailpark mentality. Probably still lives with their Mom and has a "Command Post" in the basement.

Just my $.02 and your mileage MAY vary, especially if you're a T-Rump supporter.

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Just saying.

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I'm not a Trump supporter, but I noticed that Trump has come out with a fairly comprehensive plan for healthcare in the last 2 weeks. This answers some of the criticism of Trump, that he has claims/promises without a plan to accomplish things. His healthcare plan seems more comprehensive than others have forwarded to date.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/ ... are-reform

1. Repeal Obamacare
2. Modify law to allow cross-state sales of health insurance, if the insurance company meets that State's requirement. It would introduce a lot more competition for health insurance.
3. Allow individuals to deduct healthcare costs on their tax returns (now people who work for businesses get a deduction but individuals do not). Low income people who can't afford health care (or need a subsidy) would be able to go on expanded Medicaid and work with the States to accomplish this.
4. Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts with tax free contributions and allowed to accumulate in the HSA (some years you need a lot of health care and other years not much if any).
5. Require price transparency from all healthcare providers--doctors, clinics and hospitals. That way people can more easily price shop for their health care.
6. Block-grant Medicaid to the States, where States can do a better job of managing fraud, waste and abuse.
7. Remove barriers for free market entry of safe and effective drug providers, allow import of lower cost drugs.
8. Reform mental health programs and institutions.

If any candidate promises to repeal Obamacare or otherwise massively change the healthcare system and they don't have a roadmap on how to do it, they are blowing smoke (and Trump now seems to have a fairly comprehensive roadmap; and I'm not exactly on the Trump bandwagon yet, unless he is the nominee against Hillary).
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Howdy,
johndoe3 wrote:I'm not a Trump supporter, but I noticed that Trump has come out with a fairly comprehensive plan for healthcare in the last 2 weeks. This answers some of the criticism of Trump, that he has claims/promises without a plan to accomplish things. His healthcare plan seems more comprehensive than others have forwarded to date.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/ ... are-reform

1. Repeal Obamacare
2. Modify law to allow cross-state sales of health insurance, if the insurance company meets that State's requirement. It would introduce a lot more competition for health insurance.
3. Allow individuals to deduct healthcare costs on their tax returns (now people who work for businesses get a deduction but individuals do not). Low income people who can't afford health care (or need a subsidy) would be able to go on expanded Medicaid and work with the States to accomplish this.
4. Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts with tax free contributions and allowed to accumulate in the HSA (some years you need a lot of health care and other years not much if any).
5. Require price transparency from all healthcare providers--doctors, clinics and hospitals. That way people can more easily price shop for their health care.
6. Block-grant Medicaid to the States, where States can do a better job of managing fraud, waste and abuse.
7. Remove barriers for free market entry of safe and effective drug providers, allow import of lower cost drugs.
8. Reform mental health programs and institutions.

If any candidate promises to repeal Obamacare or otherwise massively change the healthcare system and they don't have a roadmap on how to do it, they are blowing smoke (and Trump now seems to have a fairly comprehensive roadmap; and I'm not exactly on the Trump bandwagon yet, unless he is the nominee against Hillary).
Not sure where you've been living lately but:

#2, 3, 4, and 5 are already in effect and the GOP stopes #7 dead in its tracks.

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YugoRPK wrote:Just saying.

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When I heard Trump fantasizing about missing the opportunity to have Romney "on his knees," I thought "I guess there are some things that even Imported Labor won't do." :(

Why doesn't Trump offer to legallize drugs and prostitution to solve our debt problem? That would bring jobs back to America instead of making people travel to Thailand, Holland, Mexico, Colombia, etc.

They had Imperial Brothels in Classical Rome. And it looks like Julius Caeser will be our next Pres.
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"Trailer park mentality"
That is an insult. Always figured you were above stooping that low.
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stengun (Paul), not sure where you get your information, but it is erroneous.
#2, 3, 4, and 5 are already in effect and the GOP stopes #7 dead in its tracks.
2. Modify law to allow cross-state sales of health insurance, if the insurance company meets that State's requirement. It would introduce a lot more competition for health insurance.
Already in effect? Absolutely not. Barriers for insurance companies to cross state lines is very high. Here in Pennsylvania we have gone from few legitimate providers pre-ACA to... you guessed it.... few legitimate providers post-ACA. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. I am in insurance and on the front lines and you are being fed a line of absolute bullshit if you think anything different.
3. Allow individuals to deduct healthcare costs on their tax returns (now people who work for businesses get a deduction but individuals do not).
Already in effect? Absolutely not. Sole-proprietor businesses owners get to deduct HALF with quite a few limitations. Individuals get NO DEDUCTIONS FROM THEIR INCOME FOR HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS WHATSOEVER. You can take an itemized deduction AFTER your medical costs exceed 7½% of your income, and you ONLY get to deduct it AFTER reducing it by 7½% of your income. This, also, has phase out where you can kiss your deduction goodbye. If you don't itemize your deductions on your return you likewise GET NO DEDUCTION. So, again, whoever is telling you it is already in effect is pumping your head full of garbage. It is not true.

4. Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts with tax free contributions and allowed to accumulate in the HSA (some years you need a lot of health care and other years not much if any).
Already in effect? In my opinion, no. For example, if you are retired and receiving Social Security / Medicare... NO HSA. NOT ALLOWED. So how many people is that? Nearly a THIRD of the population? How about a program that applies to everyone? So no, not already in effect. Furthermore, there are limitations on contribution amounts and additional limitations on what the funds can be spent on... and THAT is what needs expanded.. and hence the point of Trump putting it on his list at #4. So no, HSA system that is limited and can only be accessed by a small sliver of citizens is NOT IMPLEMENTED.
5. Require price transparency from all healthcare providers--doctors, clinics and hospitals. That way people can more easily price shop for their health care.
If you think the system is set up for shopping your medical procedure you are clueless about the current state of health care. It is not.
7. Remove barriers for free market entry of safe and effective drug providers, allow import of lower cost drugs.
There is so much garbage going on in prescription drugs, and it has only gotten worse with Medicare Part D and this has been left virtually unaddressed by ACA. The drug system is massively screwed up. We need significant change here.
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