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AL law would eliminate marriage licenses

Post by poikilotrm » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:06 pm

Alabama Bill Would Eliminate Marriage Licenses, Nullify Federal Control in Practice
By TJ Martinell
Tenth Amendment Center
October 26, 2017

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/10/no_ ... -practice/

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (Oct. 23, 2017) – A bill prefiled in the Alabama Senate would abolish marriage licenses in the state and effectively nullify in practice both major sides of the contentious national debate over government-sanctioned marriage.

Sen. Greg Albritton (R-Bay Minette) prefiled Senate Bill 13 (SB13) in September. The legislation would abolish all requirements to obtain a marriage license in Alabama. Instead, probate judges would simply record civil contracts of marriage between two individuals based on signed affidavits.

According to the bill summary, SB13 would “eliminate the requirement for solemnization of a marriage for it to be considered valid” and “specify that the judge of probate would have no authority to reject any recording of a marriage, so long as the affidavits, forms, and data are provided. must record certain affidavits, forms, and data regarding the marriage.”

During the 2017 legislative session, Albritton introduced a similar bill. The Senate approved SB20 by a 22-6 vote, and the House Judiciary Committee approved the legislation 10-4 along party lines with some technical amendments. However, it failed to get a vote in the full House. A similar outcome occurred in the 2016 legislative session.

The proposed law would maintain a few state requirements governing marriage. Minors between the ages of 16 and 18 would have to obtain parental permission before marrying, the state would not record a marriage if either party was already married, and the parties could not be related by blood or adoption as already stipulated in state law.

Civil or religious ceremonies would have no legal effect upon the validity of the marriage. The state would only recognize the legal contract signed by the two parties entering into the marriage.

In practice, the state’s role in marriage would be limited to recording marriages that have already occurred.

This would be a return to the traditional Western custom in which the state had little to no involvement in marriage, even though it was a legal contract as well as a religious institution. Marriage in medieval Europe technically fell under the legal jurisdiction of the Catholic Church, with priests officiating weddings at the door of the community church. However, it was ultimately a private arrangement that did not require a third party in order to be considered legitimate.

In “The Middle Ages: Everyday Life in Medieval Europe,” Jeffrey Singman writes that proposed marriages were announced at the parish church of both persons for three Sundays, but this was in order to ensure problems such as preexisting marriage agreements did not arise. Still, “not every marriage followed these formalities.”

Singman writes:
According to canon law, marriage could be contracted either by a vow of marriage expressed in the present tense or by a statement of future intent to marriage followed by sexual consummation. The latter sort of marriage in particular could take place without the participation of church or community. Such marriages were illegal, but not invalid; the although the couple might be prosecuted in the church courts, they remained legally marriage.”
In fact, state marriage licenses were initially used as a way to prevent interracial marriages. As a 2007 New York Times op/ed points out, licenses later became necessary in order to subsidize the welfare state.
“The Social Security Act provided survivors’ benefits with proof of marriage. Employers used marital status to determine whether they would provide health insurance or pension benefits to employees’ dependents. Courts and hospitals required a marriage license before granting couples the privilege of inheriting from each other or receiving medical information.”
In a modern political context, SB13 would reduce the state’s role in defining and regulating marriage, which has become a contentious issue and places a burden on government officials torn between the legal requirements of their jobs and their personal religious convictions. By limiting the state’s role in marriage, the legislation would allow Alabamans to structure their personal relationships as they see fit without interference or approval from the government.

Something rarely considered by those seeking to control the state’s definition of marriage is that a marriage license means a person requires government permission before getting married. In America, people generally cannot drive a vehicle without a license. People cannot practice law without a license, nor can they provide medical care. Put another way, under a licensing scheme, marriage is not a right, nor a religious institution, but a privilege granted by the state and limited by its requirements.

Consider this: In the same way a driver can lose their license if they break certain traffic laws, a man or woman, theoretically, could one day find their marriage license revoked for breaking certain “marriage” rules, whether it pertains to child rearing, or their religious and political convictions.

Christopher Wesley, an associated scholar at the Mises Institute, wrote that “marriage is most endangered when it rests in the coercive hands of the State.”

Constitutionally, marriage is an issue left to the state and the people.

Removing state meddling in marriage would render void the edicts of federal judges that have overturned state laws defining the institution. The founding generation never envisioned unelected judges issuing ex-cathedra pronouncements regarding the definition of social institutions, and the Constitution delegates the federal judiciary no authority to do so.
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Re: AL law would eliminate marriage licenses

Post by jlwilliams » Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:34 am

Marriage is, among other things, a contract. The government should have the obligation to record the contract just like any other contract. I've never understood why I had to go to town hall and ask for permission to marry. I wasn't marrying the town clerk's daughter.

It makes sense that they should record marriage the same way they record real estate transactions. Two parties make an arrangement,sign the deal, then file at the town hall public records office.

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Re: AL law would eliminate marriage licenses

Post by fishman » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:36 am

Married people get tax breaks and other privileges. I think that's why permission is required.

You cant be forced to testify against your spouse. A strategic marriage could prevent someone's conviction.

As long as government is defining marriage and giving married people special treatment, they're going to want to regulate it. Hooray for government regulation.
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Re: AL law would eliminate marriage licenses

Post by doubloon » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:19 pm

jlwilliams wrote:Marriage is, among other things, a contract. ...
Marriage as defined by the government is nothing more than a contract.

It's also a federal thing, or was, I don't know the entire status of all the legislation.

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(rmv1cr55cx2m5455u1tmkr45))/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-Act-128-of-1887.pdf

MARRIAGE LICENSE
Act 128 of 1887
AN ACT establishing the minimum ages for contracting marriages; to require a civil license in order to
marry and its registration; to provide for the implementation of federal law; and to provide a penalty for the
violation of this act.
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Re: AL law would eliminate marriage licenses

Post by fishman » Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:23 pm

doubloon wrote:
jlwilliams wrote:Marriage is, among other things, a contract. ...
Marriage as defined by the government is nothing more than a contract.

It's also a federal thing, or was, I don't know the entire status of all the legislation.

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(rmv1cr55cx2m5455u1tmkr45))/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-Act-128-of-1887.pdf

MARRIAGE LICENSE
Act 128 of 1887
AN ACT establishing the minimum ages for contracting marriages; to require a civil license in order to
marry and its registration; to provide for the implementation of federal law; and to provide a penalty for the
violation of this act.
Yes but there's clearly more to marriage than the legal aspect. It's more than just a contract despite the legal definition.
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Re: AL law would eliminate marriage licenses

Post by doubloon » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:55 pm

fishman wrote:...
Yes but there's clearly more to marriage than the legal aspect. It's more than just a contract despite the legal definition.
Not to everyone.

If you preface that statement with 'for most' or 'for the majority' then I believe it becomes more accurate.
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