Call for common sense gun laws

[johndoe3]

Since the progressives and democrats as well as Bernie-type socialists are calling for Congress and the States to "do something" and pass new common sense gun laws, here are a few of mine for them to consider.

As a measure of goodwill on their part, meeting us half-way is only fair (leftists, choose 50% of the following to pass and meet us halfway). We're ready to move on these and get them passed with your cooperation.

1. Pass the HPA to protect the environment from noise pollution (remove suppressors from NFA).

2. Pass National Concealed Carry Reciprocity so that helpful CCW permittees can help throughout all States.

3. Pass legislation allowing trained teachers and staff to conceal carry in schools (for States, and Ohio is a great example with a successful program)

4. Pass legislation removing the Gun Free Schools Act which has created gun free zones and facilitated more school shootings.

5. Pass legislation removing SBRs from the NFA (shorter barrels lower the velocity of bullets and consequently destructive power).

6. Pass legislation (States) to establish voluntary classes on gun safety and safe shooting skills in all Junior High and High Schools.

What others?

[John A.]

No. 5

Why stop at just sbr's and suppressors?

[johndoe3]

No. 5

Why stop at just sbr's and suppressors?

Explanation suited to the Left...

SBR (Short Barrel Rifle) = lower velocity from a shorter barrel resulting in less lethality. Who could be against lowering the capability of an AR15?

incrementalism

[doubloon]

...
What others?

#1. OK, but it's a compromise.

#2. Don't like it, just solidifies centralized control of carry laws for easier application of broad restrictions later. Just eliminate existing infringements on 2A.

#3. Still not in favor of legislation at any level setting the precedent of granting (or giving back) rights to citizens, this is the wrong way around, eliminate existing infringements on 2A.

#4. Eliminate existing infringements on 2A

#5. What John A. said. Also, shortening the barrel makes it more concealable and thus more dangerous in the same way that handguns are already dangerous because they are so easily concealed. I don't think anybody is going to fall for "the bullet goes slower because the barrel is shorter" play. They already want "safer ammunition".

#6. Voluntary classes on gun safety are already available everywhere. Not necessarily free but voluntary. By "establish" are you saying require the schools to offer to pay for classes in gun safety out of the school budget? Hire a NRA trained safety instructor as part of the school staff? Require some number of staff members to become NRA gun safety instructors?

#'s 2, 3 and 4 are all basically the same issue for me and hat in hand asking for some of our rights back a little at a time is the current NRA approach so I don't see the difference.

[BobbyJohn]

There should be no compromise at all, I am not in favor of saying we will do this if you do that, it is not a winning strategy. We as well as them are getting to a breaking point, you either go for broke or you go home.

[hardcase]

No new gun laws!! Re-enforce existing laws and wait at least a year to discuss the matter. Knee jerk reactions are always bad policy.

[fishman]

Knee jerk reactions are always bad policy.

Remind me to never invite you to any angry mob gatherings

[John A.]

“Society is produced by our wants, and government by wickedness; the former promotes our happiness positively by uniting our affections, the latter negatively by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first is a patron, the last a punisher.”
― Thomas Paine, Common Sense

“Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer...”
― Thomas Paine, Common Sense

[hardcase]

Knee jerk reactions are always bad policy.

Remind me to never invite you to any angry mob gatherings

Thankfully I don't do angry mobs

What steams me the most is pictures of ARs calling them Assault Rifles as depicted by the news media. Patton, as we all know, called the M1 Garand the greatest battle implement ever devised. Since it uses real clips, not magazines some call clips, it could keep up with an AR 15 with a 10 shot mag as limited by some states. Limit ARs and M1s will be next and then my Ruger 10/22, and then my---.

[doubloon]

... Limit ARs and M1s will be next and then my Ruger 10/22, and then my---.

Si Amigo.

[DKDravis]

Mag limits are an exercise in futility .. Even a bad guy can train mag-changes to the point of making a limit pointless, just be glad you do not yet have our rules on Semi-auto rifles for hunting:

1: The rifle can not be approved if it LOOKS LIKE a full auto military rifle.
2: The rifle must not be fitted with a detachable magazine.
3: The rifle must not hold more than 2 shots .. One chambered and one in the magazine.
4: You STILL have to "make a good case for NEEDING a semi-automatic rifle" for example if you have a physical impairment that makes reloading your rifle difficult or very slow.

This STILL does not rule out som maniac/terrorist just modifying the rifle to accept a 30 round "clip" But since AK's are relatively easy to get hold of in the former East bloc countries (now a part of the EU), the bad guys just don't bother.

In this country the regulations for owning handguns privately has actually loosened up over the last 50 years.. before 1961 private ownership of handguns was effectively completely banned. (Like England has it now)
Pistol clubs were started by military and police personell, to participate in international sports shooting competitions.
(Handguns are still on the olympic program!!)
Back then all you could privately own of handguns were single shot .22 rimfire pistols.
Now you can own up to 6 centerfire handguns up to 45 calibre, and there is no limit on the number of rimfire .22 handguns you can own.
You can not own ANY kind of firearm without a license, and ALL firearms have to be registrered with the police.
Any problems with the law, and your permits are revoked.. (But it takes an actual court conviction to permanently revoke your licenses)

[hardcase]

To Dk Davis, which country, place, state, city are you speaking of?

On another note, when hurricane Irma approached the Virgin Islands, the governor at the time, named Kenneth Mapp sent the National Guard to confiscate guns from residents. Thankfully nothing much happened but this should be a wake up call to check every proposed change in a gun law for the fine print, especially in a quick, knee-jerk reaction law. I suspect there is already such a law burried somewhere in the more retarded gun knowledge states.

[DKDravis]

I'm "speaking" from a very small scandinavian country which a lot of American politicians have been busy describing as some kind of "ideal state" or "paradise"
(whose "Prince regent" just died) -- Our flag is Red with a white Cross -- An original Crusader flag from around 1150 AD .. A lot of people from "further south" really don't like our flag -- they tend to burn it occasionally .. something most of us do not get very upset about... It just shows their ignorance and stupidity..

People here generally think of our Gun laws as perfectly sensible, maybe even a bit "relaxed" since we CAN own and use "Silencers" while hunting any game with a rifle (You can NOT hunt with any kind of handgun, Handgun permits are STRICTLY for "Sports-shooting" in approved disciplines. (IPSC is an approved Discipline, among others)
(I put "Silencer" in double quotation marks since none of the ones I have heard or used were anything close to Silent .. )
I own several "silencers" - each of them require a license -but not a serial number or stated calibre. In my language the direct translation of the term to English would be "Sound-moderator" -- A much more precise term than "Silencer"

"Moderators" have been legal in the other three Scandinavian countries (Sweden, Norway and Finland) for 20+ years, and there are no known statistics showing the use of one in a crime.

Statistics have shown that the actual registration and record keeping of firearms in Denmark since the 1960'ies have only contributed directly to solving gun related homicides in less than 1 out of 900 cases. Legally owned firearms (even stolen, previously legal firearms) are linked to less than 3% of firearms related crime here. (This is counting all "gun crime" including robbery at gunpoint and threats) Making it very plain to see that the central registration of all firearms have no real effect on solving armed crime. The only reason for the state to insist on registration, is to be able to confiscate guns in case of convictions of a violent crime, or in a situation where the government starts to fear an armed people.

[GlockBuyer]

Common sense would have the Local Governments & PEOPLE - not the Feds - provide actual Armed Security and Secured Facilities at Schools & Malls & other soft targets. But they REFUSE. "THEY" are the Leftists & Liberals who control the School Systems. We better start fighting back hard & fast or we can kiss what's left of the 2nd Amendment goodbye.

Want real common sense? All you teens & students need to turn in your cell phones and vehicles as they cause thousands of deaths every year - FAR more than any rifle. Submit to weekly Drug & Alcohol testing because banning drugs isn't working and kids are getting killed by drugs everyday.

[montanabound]

I posted a topic similar to this, but it's somewhere in the Silencertalk black hole of posted topics that never appear,Lol.
None the less why not require firearm owners submit a list of people to your Local LEO, that you trust are the best judge of your character, mentality and believe that you would want looking out for you.
Think about it, if the Las Vegas shooter had to do this and the sheriff where he resided had a tip from his girlfriend and the sheriff went to the list and called his brother or someone else he interacts with on a regular basis, what might the outcome have been? Or if the same was required of the Florida school shooter? I don't think that kid could've got 1 person to say he was good to go.
Most if not all of us on here already have our name in the NFA and if you went that route or even bought a pistol, your local LEO already knows you own firearms. But how can some Legislator at the state or federal level prevent the next shooting when the people around you know you best. When the people around both shoooters mentioned above knew something was going on or his cheese slid off the cracker.
That's about as common sense as you can get.

[doubloon]

The idea being if you are a psychopath you wouldn't be able to come up with a short list of other psychopaths to vouch for your character?

[T-Rex]

Only since you said "common sense"
Why don't we look at facts instead of new laws.

1. The US population is up and always growing.
2. Gun ownership, per capita, has been steadily declining for 3 decades.
3. Gun related murders are also steadily declining.

Assault Weapon Ban? What for? What's it going to do?
From 1994-2004 (during the Clinton ban) the percentage of murders commited w/ a rifle was a steady 4.5%. It wasn't until after the ban sunset that this number started to fall. The current percent of murders committed w/ a rifle (2015 data) is ~2.5%.

How about this:
1. 14x more people die every year from accidental drowning than from rifles, "assault" or other.
2. 10x more people die from an infection they contract while at the Hospital, for something unrelated, than all gun related homicides.
3. More people die from alcohol related crashes than from all gun related homicides.
4. More children are killed in car accidents than by firearms.
5. Since 1995, the amount of children killed by firearms has decreased by nearly 65%.

Common Sense?

[Historian]

El Rushbo mentioned today that South Africa Nelson Mendela Coms in the news:

" ..‘The time for reconciliation is over’:
South Africa votes to confiscate white-owned land without compensation"*.

Lucky they do not have a racist 2nd Amendment to bugger things up.

Sadly Rhodesia (sic ) used to be the bread-basket of Africa, exporting food. When
Coms took over similar confiscations and racial murders bled the country into
a stone age, inducing dopey kind hearted external nations to send in
'humanitarian ' support continually.

Surprisingly in the news2015 " .. Zimbabwe seized white farmers’ land.
Now some are being invited back."

Community organizers at work again.

Will our species never learn?






* << http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/ ... 3576c4c0bc >>

[Ben Walker]

New 3 year mental health permit “100.00 fee” By passing and completion of application to include fingerprint and background check . The permit holder can purchase or manufacture all types of personal firearm other than a destructive devices.
Also new firearm manufacturer rules pertains to noise reduction. Said manufacturing of a firearm must include a decibel reduction attachment. All previously manufactured firearms will be exempt from this requirement.

If a mental health check has not been preformed the existing rules apply with the exception of owning a firearm that fires over 900 rds. per minute.
All previously registered N.F..A items are grand fathered in