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personal check or money order for payment?

Post by Eagle1* » Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:56 pm

Which form of payment should I use for my $200.00 tax stamp payment to the ATF? :?
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Post by Baboon » Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:00 pm

Personal check so you can start counting months after it clears.
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Post by ArevaloSOCOM » Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:01 pm

Baboon wrote:Personal check so you can start counting months after it clears.
Yep.
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Post by chrismartin » Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:02 pm

If you use a personal check, you can see it clear the bank, and that will give you some sort of idea that everything arrived OK and the process is starting.
Money Orders will cost a little extra to get (depending on USPS fees, you bank fees, etc.)

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Post by Eagle1* » Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:03 pm

Well then why did my dealer say to get a money order?
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Post by chrismartin » Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:15 pm

He probably thinks that they process them faster, that they "wait for the check to clear"
That thinking is not correct though, they do not wait for the check to clear before processing.

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Post by Baboon » Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:51 pm

Your going to s--t when you see how quick it clears. Then your most likely to become depressed waiting. Be sure your dealer checks the box so you can check on it's progress with ATF.
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Post by Eagle1* » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:38 pm

Baboon wrote:Your going to s--t when you see how quick it clears. Then your most likely to become depressed waiting. Be sure your dealer checks the box so you can check on it's progress with ATF.
what box, I have my signed form 4's in my possession right now. I think you mean that they should have circled the "I Do" part correct?
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Post by Baboon » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:51 pm

Eagle1* wrote:
Baboon wrote:Your going to s--t when you see how quick it clears. Then your most likely to become depressed waiting. Be sure your dealer checks the box so you can check on it's progress with ATF.
what box, I have my signed form 4's in my possession right now. I think you mean that they should have circled the "I Do" part correct?
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Post by joshrunkle35 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:01 pm

Eagle1* wrote:Well then why did my dealer say to get a money order?
Because if your check ever bounces you're in deep s--t. Since it's over $100, it would be a federal felony.

I never bounce checks, and I used personal checks for my first few transfers, but now I use "counter-checks" from the bank. You can still check to see when they clear, but the funds are paid up front, and the bank is responsible for them, not you.

Here's the thing: what if they lose your check, you forget about it, and they cash it several months later, and it's that once-in-a lifetime situation where you don't have the funds to cover it?

Most likely you'll never bounce a check. Most likely if you did, it wouldn't be to the federal government while paying your taxes. ($200) Most likely, they'd call you if you did, and have you write out a new check, or cancel your application...

...but...this is the federal government we're talking about. At first chance, they'll shoot your wife and F--k your dog. ...and I'm not going to let a check be the reason for that.
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Post by rileym21 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:52 pm

"...but...this is the federal government we're talking about. At first chance, they'll shoot your wife and F--k your dog. ...and I'm not going to let a check be the reason for that."



I laughed about this for quite a while.

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Post by RedArgon » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:20 pm

Shoot your wife and F--k your dog... LOL

I just sent in my form 4 with a money order. The only thing I was concerned about was if the money order got lost in the mail, but I'm pretty sure you can keep the receipt and the post office reimburses you.

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Post by Artful » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:39 pm

RedArgon wrote:Shoot your wife and F--k your dog... LOL

I just sent in my form 4 with a money order. The only thing I was concerned about was if the money order got lost in the mail, but I'm pretty sure you can keep the receipt and the post office reimburses you.
yep but it's a pain - and you can check on when the MoneyOrder goes thru.
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Post by BWPerdue » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:44 pm

But only after 30 days from issuance.

I did a check the first time and a MO the second, both sent certified mail. The second time, the USPS screwed up the cert. mail and never got signature confirmation, nor was I able to track it via the tracking number. I was very nervous about where my forms and money had gotten to from Dec. 2 until Jan. 15, when, after having called BATFE several times, I finally discovered that it had gone to my examiner. A check would have let me know that it had arrived safely sooner.

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Post by RedArgon » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:11 pm

I'll just cross my fingers that the money order works out okay then I guess.

How long should I wait before I give the ATF a call to check on my paperwork?

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Post by Baboon » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:12 pm

90 days.
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Post by YugoRPK » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:14 pm

I bounced a check to the ATF once. Grabbed the wrong check book. At processing time the examiner called me and I apologized profusely and sent the right check out. End of story.

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Post by BWPerdue » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:18 pm

Baboon wrote:90 days.
When I've called, especially this last time, I was told I should wait 30 days before expecting to be in the system where I would show up in their computer.

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Post by Baboon » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:33 pm

BWPerdue wrote:
Baboon wrote:90 days.
When I've called, especially this last time, I was told I should wait 30 days before expecting to be in the system where I would show up in their computer.
I'll bet once the check clears it goes pending. Approved is the only thing you really care about. A buddy just picked up a suppressor last week right @ 90 days. As was his the month before.
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Post by BWPerdue » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:58 pm

Like I mentioned above, it got in their system on Dec 15, so I'm not worried - I'll just wait it out for another couple months. I'm just glad it got there and pissed at the PO for messing up the cert. letter so badly.

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Post by SigOwner » Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:34 pm

Baboon wrote:
BWPerdue wrote:
Baboon wrote:90 days.
When I've called, especially this last time, I was told I should wait 30 days before expecting to be in the system where I would show up in their computer.
I'll bet once the check clears it goes pending. Approved is the only thing you really care about. A buddy just picked up a suppressor last week right @ 90 days. As was his the month before.
Not really. From my experience you'll go pending about 1 month after the check clears.

Last time I did it (sent in April) the checks were cashed April 24th I think and I went pending May 28th.

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Post by BWPerdue » Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:46 pm

That was my experience the first time, this time last year. It seems to also be the case from the timeline I put together mentally for my second form described above, although I have no firm proof of when the MO was cashed, just when I sent it and when it went pending.

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Post by Baboon » Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:35 pm

I can tell you this the only thing worse the waiting on the ATF is waiting on a gunsmith.
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Post by BWPerdue » Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:49 pm

Truth.

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Post by rileym21 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:08 pm

Sent in my form 1 on January 28, recently received it back in the mail on April 16. Just an FYI for you guys. It arrived much quicker than I thought.

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