rick perry hasn't a chance

[bakerjw]

Well Perry is out of the running at least for me. The case of Cameron Todd Willingham has his fingerprints all over it and he refused a stay to allow a commission to examine new forensic evidence.

A good write up of the case
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009 ... ntPage=all

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/wha ... th-penalty

[ick]

Having heard the opinions of many a policeman, guard, and inmate... I take the "I am innocent" with quite a bit more of skepticism than I used to.

Seems that the whole story in the retard-media isn't quite what it seems:

http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/10/27 ... about.aspx

Having just done a bit of reading right now it seems the links like the New Yorker don't quite express the complete story. Would love someone familiar with all the aspects of the whole thing to contribute some opinion. That would save me a lot of time to try and chase down the "real" story here.

The older I get the more I don't buy the "I am innocent" line even when the media reports it... ESPECIALLY when attempting to impugn a republican. The draw, bias, and rage against any non-obama candidate is simply too great to pretend it does not exist.

[ick]

http://homicidesurvivors.com/categories ... ngham.aspx

[yellowfin]

The older I get the more I don't buy the "I am innocent" line even when the media reports it... ESPECIALLY when attempting to impugn a republican. The draw, bias, and rage against any non-obama candidate is simply too great to pretend it does not exist.

QFT. They'll run ANYTHING on ANYONE they don't like, and deliberately withhold EVERYTHING against someone like the O-hole.

[yellowfin]

It would seem that comparisons to BO are already being made. . .

Ya know, I'd REALLY love this pic a lot more if McCain hadn't abused his veteran (especially being a pilot) status as bad as he did in '08 as a coverup for being a worthless piece of dog s--t while in office.

[bakerjw]

When I first read the article I was skeptical because for the most part every one in prison is innocent. That is what they'll tell you.

What got me thinking was late in the article when they started referencing the work done by Dr. Gerald Hurst and other arson researchers. His work as well as the work of other investigators that use scientific methods have dispelled many of the purported signs of arson as identified at fire scenes. Many of which were used to convict and put to death Willingham.

The article is a long read but the work of the researchers is quite interesting.

[L1A1Rocker]

Well Perry is out of the running at least for me. The case of Cameron Todd Willingham has his fingerprints all over it and he refused a stay to allow a commission to examine new forensic evidence.

A good write up of the case
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009 ... ntPage=all

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/wha ... th-penalty

The Texas governor has NO authority to stop an execution. IIRC he/she can only postpone it 30 days.

[silencertalk]

It is a cool photo, but you can also find a bad photo of Rick Perry when he was 22, and you can probably find a photo of Obama not looking as bumlike.

That being said, electing Obama as President was ridonculous. If you wanted a liberal who was not a white male it should have been Hillary.

I still don't understand how Obama could even become the editor of the Harvard Law magazine without even writing a single article. How do people just skip ahead like that?

[Speed-Racer]

I still don't understand how Obama could even become the editor of the Harvard Law magazine without even writing a single article. How do people just skip ahead like that?

Yep......Not much info. from High School chums, College friends or just plain casual remeberences. I don't know, but to me it just seems odd

[doubloon]

Well Perry is out of the running at least for me. The case of Cameron Todd Willingham has his fingerprints all over it and he refused a stay to allow a commission to examine new forensic evidence.

A good write up of the case
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009 ... ntPage=all

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/wha ... th-penalty

The Texas governor has NO authority to stop an execution. IIRC he/she can only postpone it 30 days.

He can't do anything by himself.

http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/bpp/exec_cl ... _clem.html

[edteach]

Rick Perry can not walk and chew gum at the same time. As even Fox Republican propaganda station put it, Perry threw up all over him self. Man when Fox says you puked on yourself you must have really puked on yourself. Romney is not a Christian as many put it, and Caine is just a nut job. As the God Father put it, don't blame wall st blame your self if you can't find a job and are not rich. So most if not all of us here should blame our selfs because I highly doubt that many here are rich. Some of us may have a few dollars put away but I highly doubt that many if not any are truly rich. Rich people do not play with the likes of people who would post here. The list of things Bachmann and Caine have said that are so stupid is as long as Santa's Xmas list. Neither one can be elected and would be Obamas best chance for a land slide second term. Perry is on Bachmanns and Cains coat tails for stupid. This guy could not argue that the Holocaust was wrong affectively.

[TROOPER]

You may or may not be right about Bachman and Perry as an effective president. However, regardless of who is the Republican nominee, I think Obama is screwed. Remember last mid-term? People weren't voting Republican so much as they were voting against the Democrats. I believe that will be repeated in 2012.

[edteach]

You may or may not be right about Bachman and Perry as an effective president. However, regardless of who is the Republican nominee, I think Obama is screwed. Remember last mid-term? People weren't voting Republican so much as they were voting against the Democrats. I believe that will be repeated in 2012.

I don't agree. I think 2010 was a vote on the economy. Now that the Republicans took power in the house and many governorships and state houses, and all they did was try to bust unions, restrict abortion and voting rights, the people are seeing that they are stuck on far right fanatical religious social issues and not jobs. People want jobs and an economy that works. The house under the republicans has only been obstructionist and shown itself to not be willing to work with anyone to get anything done.
Yelling that someone is a socialist or Nazi or communist is not trying to accomplish anything. When McConnell of Kentucky said that the only thing he was concerned with was making Obama a one term president while his own constituents are upside down in home values, and wall street walks away with unprecedented amounts of low taxed bonuses, many people wonder what they are really about [republicans]
I used to vote republican on one issue, guns. But at some point a person has to grow up and understand that we are social animals and we living not in sod huts along on the planes depending on our selfs, but in social groups of towns and cities that depend on each other for our life's that we have. No one here is independent and depends on others for what they have and how they live. Unless you take and smelt your own metal, make your own ax and live like a mountain man of the 1870s alone and in a sod hut in the mountains killing and growing everything you eat, making Ted Kazinski look like a communist in comparison than you are not independent.
If your kids get sick you depend on a person who has an education to treat them, if you water heater goes out you depend on a plumber to fix it, if your car has a problem you depend on the shop to repair it, you depend on someone to provide electricity,gas,water, and garbage pick up every day, public or private schools to teach your kids, someone to create and maintain roads for you to drive your union made car on and this does not even scratch the surface.
Health care should be a right that is not for profit. Why should anyone make a profit off of your health? If an insurance company wants to make a profit off of your car, or home insurance thats fine, but ones health is something that we should all have access to. We as a society have removed over 50 million people from the health care system, and then if its an emergency they can go to the emergency care and we all pay exorbitant rates for those who are not insured, and if someone is not in an immediate lift threating situation and you had to make a choice of food for your kids or a thousand a month health care insurance plan, your SOL. Go home and die and or go bankrupt. We pay in the end for this if we like it or not.
Its like not helping people have jobs, it costs us if we like it or not, as crime rises we pay 50000 a year to keep those people who turn to illegal activities in prison. What if we could spend say 25000 a year to give someone a job cleaning the sidewalks so they did not have to turn to crime? I know not everyone would take that offer, but some would.
I don't think people in 2010 were turning to the Republicans, they were mad that wall street got bailed out and then turned their backs on the very people who paid for their bailout, what a shock. LOL>

Now the Right makes fun of those individuals who stand up and say I am mad as hell and I am not going to take it any more, the same right wing nuts who when the tea baggers did it said it was a grass roots movement and it was the people standing up for change, now its lets make fun of them not having toilets and showers. Really? No hypocrisy there right Hannity and Limbaugh. But what can you expect from someone who wants to put drug users in jail while he has his maid buy him Oxy?

[TROOPER]

The "Tea Baggers" (no bias with you) hold up signs that make sense, because they have objectives. The "Tea Baggers" (fortunately you engage in logical discussion instead of propoganda) are made up, for the most part, of professional, productive members of society who wants things that will benefit everyone. Lower taxes do help everyone. The government spending no more than what it takes in benefits everyone. This "Occupy Wall Street" things has no objective, and seems to be made up of people who want more free stuff from other people. Forgive student loans? Give me a job? <--- says the person with a degree in theater arts; which makes them no more qualified to do anything productive than anyone with no education whatsoever.

Those are charity cases who want longer tracks for the gravy train. The Tea Party is asking for things that help the entirity of America. That is grass-roots. Getting a group of unemployed together to harrass a location near a financial institution is not meant to improve America. They keep saying they're the 99%, as if they're the unspoken masses of this country, but those statistics don't work out. Unemployment isn't above 15%, and those people there are unemployed. That means that at best, they are the 15%.

I have no statistics for this, but I'd guess that the vast majority of those who can't find a job simply are not qualified for the jobs they seek. Perhaps it is because of criminal history, or perhaps they have gained psuedo-expertise in a field that is not relevant. But there are jobs out there that aren't getting filled because people cannot bring the necessary qualifications to the interview process.

There really aren't unemployed brain surgeons, for example. There are unemployed actors. If someone chooses to pursue a degree in a saturated field, that is their choice. Even if it wasn't magically their choice, what NYSE corporation is determining which actors get which jobs? I only say that because this eliminates the failed-actor as a viable candidate for a true protestor -- there is no villain keeping them down. What NYSE corporation prevents any other business from hiring two-time felons? I only say that because this eleminates the criminal who can't find a job. Which NYSE corporation has determined that Americans may not purchase portraits, or if they do, they may only purchase them via Corporation "X"? I only say that, because this eliminates the 60-year-old who insists they rae getting screwed by Wall Street when no one wants their product.

[Blaubart]

If someone chooses to pursue a degree in a saturated field, that is their choice.

Can you imagine how loud they'd be squealing in a real socialist country where the government mandates what your occupation will be, where you work, how much you will be paid, and how much everything costs? If they really do represent 99% of Americans, we will soon find out.

I agree with TROOPER on this one that they primarily represent the unemployed. Throw in some of the underemployed and those not actively seeking employment, and we might be at 25%. While that is indeed a significant number, how many of those aren't able to vote because they're convicted felons? How many of them are too lazy to go vote? How many of them are even registered to vote?

But seriously, if you were a politician, how much attention would you give to the guy in that 99% photo that says he's a two time felon? It's not like he can vote and he certainly isn't in any position to make a campaign contribution. The worst he can do if you piss him off is become even more of a burden to society...

[doubloon]

... I'd guess that the vast majority of those who can't find a job simply are not qualified for the jobs they seek. ...

This, people who can't accept the fact that a degree (if they have one) does not *entitle* them to employment.

[Blaubart]

... I'd guess that the vast majority of those who can't find a job simply are not qualified for the jobs they seek. ...

This, people who can't accept the fact that a degree (if they have one) does not *entitle* them to employment.

Or, in today's economy where an employer gets a hundred applications for one job opening, you have to ask yourself "How do I stack up against those other 99?" Don't blame "the system", "the man", or "the corporation" for not hiring you. Either go out and start your own business, or make yourself more marketable to an employer.

If the only things you can put on your resume is that you're a two time felon and you have really cool tats on your forearms, then I have bad news for you...

[doubloon]

... ask yourself "How do I stack up against those other 99?" ...

I think we found the 99%

[TROOPER]

I agree with TROOPER on this one that they primarily represent the unemployed. Throw in some of the underemployed and those not actively seeking employment, and we might be at 25%. While that is indeed a significant number, how many of those aren't able to vote because they're convicted felons? How many of them are too lazy to go vote? How many of them are even registered to vote?

I disagree with that 25%, thereby strengthening both your point and my own. The reported statistic is 9.6% unemployment, with an additional 5-6% being labeled as "still no job, but gave up looking". That makes for a total of ~16%. If we all agree that unemployment cannot get beneath 5% due to a percentage of the population being perpetually unemployed by choice, then that leaves only 10% unemployment.

What makes that statistic funnier is that 1/3 of the unemployed couldn't find a job in a 49'-style gold rush. That means that if those statistics hold true at the OccupyWallStreet sit-in, then 33% of those people don't even technically want a job; but they'll still complain.