Using a silencer during the wait period?

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Using a silencer during the wait period?

Post by rimshaker » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:42 am

My FFL/SOT dealer is also a gun range. I was told that i could actually use the silencer in their range during the long ATF waiting period. Obviously i just can't take it home. Sounded too good to be true. Is that actually legal and common practice with dealers who have ranges?

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Post by rogerme » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:45 am

rimshaker wrote:My FFL/SOT dealer is also a gun range. I was told that i could actually use the silencer in their range during the long ATF waiting period. Obviously i just can't take it home. Sounded too good to be true. Is that actually legal and common practice with dealers who have ranges?
Depends on the dealer. Some of the smaller dealers will even meet you at the range to pay. I would say these folks are the exception and not the rule.
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Post by continuity » Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:08 am

rimshaker wrote:... Is that actually legal

Absofarkinglutely legal. As long as the subject dealer is in proximity to the NFA item. At least from the Fed requirement standpoint.
rimshaker wrote:and common practice with dealers who have ranges?
The dealer I go through doesn't have a range, but will join us when we shoot... at least sometimes. When he does join us, he will bring along the NFA items that those in the group are awaiting final transfer on. Makes the $50 xfer fee he charges worth every penny.
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Post by trey_phish83 » Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:16 am

my dealer encourages me to come over to his farm and give it a go while waiting.

then serves a cold one on tap.

i'm spoiled.
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Post by rimshaker » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:58 am

Ah ok, great to hear! It sure takes the sting out of waiting 6+ months. They charge higher transfer fees ($75) for silencers, but in this case it's definitely worth it.

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Post by WhisperFan » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:13 am

When I bought a MKII Sten, my dealer met me at the range we are both members of -

He brought a M2 Carbine and a few other toys too. We put about 300 to 400 rounds through the Sten.

At the end of the day, I took home the mag well, the barrel, the barrel nut, all the mags, the bolt and trigger group. Basically I took home everything except the registered tube. All the parts I took home are parts that I could have legally bought in a parts kit - so no laws were broken, and since I already paid for the smg, they were actually mine anyway.

It gave me an opportunity to really clean the parts, inspect them for wear, determine if I wanted to re-park any parts, and see what parts were most subject to wear - so I could buy some replacement parts too. A lot of dealers probably wouldn't have done that - but mine is a friend of mine too.
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Post by No2sc2 » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:57 pm

The NFA item they sell is "registered" to the FFL class 3 dealer until they sell(transfer) it to a customer. So THEY HAVE POSSESSION RIGHTS TO IT, they must be there with you tho when you're using it. Just like if let someone shoot your suppressor at a range, as long as you're in possession power, you can let ANYONE shoot it.

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Post by jeepjon » Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:43 pm

Have done it several times....makes the wait a little more tolerable (or torture because you will want to take it home!).

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Post by 66427vette » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:54 am

rimshaker wrote:Ah ok, great to hear! It sure takes the sting out of waiting 6+ months. They charge higher transfer fees ($75) for silencers, but in this case it's definitely worth it.


75 for Nfa transfers is pretty cheap the local guy I use to use before I got my licence was hitting me at 150 each .

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Post by Gagtoe » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:31 pm

Damn, the place I use charges 25 dollars, he more than makes it up though with me shooting exclusively on his range for the next 6 months.

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Post by No2sc2 » Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:58 pm

My dealer does free transfer I think...well atleast for firearms its free, it might be like $25 for NFA transfer.

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Post by renegade » Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:01 am

66427vette wrote:
75 for Nfa transfers is pretty cheap the local guy I use to use before I got my licence was hitting me at 150 each .
Do you have to put your hands up? Cause $150 is robbery. $75 is ridiculous.

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Post by TheSentinel » Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:59 pm

I asked my dealer monday if i could shoot with my suppressor(that i am waiting on the stamp for), and they said NO. On the off chance that my transfer didn't go through, they didn't want it to be used. Even though they have my $850........

I might have to find myself a new dealer......

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Post by 66427vette » Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:47 pm

renegade wrote:
66427vette wrote:
75 for Nfa transfers is pretty cheap the local guy I use to use before I got my licence was hitting me at 150 each .
Do you have to put your hands up? Cause $150 is robbery. $75 is ridiculous.

75 is dirt cheap for Saint Louis . Lot if shitty dealers here who take your money and sit on order for3 months. Only 2 decent / honest dealers in area.

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Post by rimshaker » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:47 pm

TheSentinel wrote:I asked my dealer monday if i could shoot with my suppressor(that i am waiting on the stamp for), and they said NO. On the off chance that my transfer didn't go through, they didn't want it to be used. Even though they have my $850........

I might have to find myself a new dealer......
Does your dealer have a range? If so, definitely find another dealer. The silencer is PAID for already by YOU. You own it! The dealer is just a babysitter for the silencer until ATF gives the ok to legally transfer it to you on paper.

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Post by 66427vette » Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:16 pm

rimshaker wrote:
TheSentinel wrote:I asked my dealer monday if i could shoot with my suppressor(that i am waiting on the stamp for), and they said NO. On the off chance that my transfer didn't go through, they didn't want it to be used. Even though they have my $850........

I might have to find myself a new dealer......
Does your dealer have a range? If so, definitely find another dealer. The silencer is PAID for already by YOU. You own it! The dealer is just a babysitter for the silencer until ATF gives the ok to legally transfer it to you on paper.

Not true it's the dealers can until forms come back. Dick move buy your dealer.

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Post by Ron Dishop Silencers » Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:44 pm

I have 40 ac behind my place with targets set at 25 ; 50; & 75 yards if my customers want to use their suppressor they can , they own the suppressor I’m just babysitting it for a while.
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Post by TheSentinel » Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:36 pm

rimshaker wrote:
TheSentinel wrote:I asked my dealer monday if i could shoot with my suppressor(that i am waiting on the stamp for), and they said NO. On the off chance that my transfer didn't go through, they didn't want it to be used. Even though they have my $850........

I might have to find myself a new dealer......
Does your dealer have a range? If so, definitely find another dealer. The silencer is PAID for already by YOU. You own it! The dealer is just a babysitter for the silencer until ATF gives the ok to legally transfer it to you on paper.
Yes, they have a range, and a pretty nice one at that. Ironically, Monday, when I took my son there to shoot, the day they would't let me shoot it, was the day my form was approved...

When I pick it up, I intend to politely inform them I will be finding a new dealer.

The dealer in question is Open Range, Crestwood Ky

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Post by sarthree » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:27 pm

I did it...but it just pissed me off that I couldn't take it home and I couldn't hear how quiet it was with the glock guy next to me blowing through his ammo.

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Post by rimshaker » Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:44 pm

sarthree wrote:I did it...but it just pissed me off that I couldn't take it home and I couldn't hear how quiet it was with the glock guy next to me blowing through his ammo.
Heh yep i know the feeling. Now i only try to go Mon-thur during the afternoons when sometimes i'm alone at the range. But hey either way, at least we're using our cans... which hopefully makes the waiting period feel a lot shorter.

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Post by imyomama » Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:14 am

renegade wrote:
66427vette wrote:
75 for Nfa transfers is pretty cheap the local guy I use to use before I got my licence was hitting me at 150 each .
Do you have to put your hands up? Cause $150 is robbery. $75 is ridiculous.
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Post by No2sc2 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:12 pm

TheSentinel wrote:I asked my dealer monday if i could shoot with my suppressor(that i am waiting on the stamp for), and they said NO. On the off chance that my transfer didn't go through, they didn't want it to be used. Even though they have my $850........

I might have to find myself a new dealer......
You paid for it, and if you decide to shoot it, you know what happens if the form comes back denied, of course you not expecting to get a refund on a silencer you used... Shops just don't think sometimes, you know that could have been a gauranteed sale for them if they let you shoot your silencer.

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