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Looking for an inexpensive tunable camp plinker. I assume the noise from either is negligae compared to a 22LR (even suppressed w/ sshp). Which would those in the know recommend? I have a few tins of .177 domed, magnum, and wadcutters from years ago, but the power level of the 1322 has me leaning that route. I've seen threads where they have been tuned to shoot much faster (100-150fps increase) than the 460fps from the factory.
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All the pellet pistols I have shot were louder than a 22 suppressed.
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Comparing pistol to pistol I figured the difference to be minimal. Thanks for the input on the main question though :roll: :D
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Anything pumped is going to be noisier than anything spring powered.

The Beeman P1 is not cheap but it's a hell of a pistol, almost as powerful as a Benjamin 392.

You might try the IZH 53M

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/IZH_53M_A ... 1A22.app01

or the Browning 800 Express

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Browning_ ... 1A22.app01

If you have more bucks get the Marauder pistol, it's tunable and suppressed. The Marauder rifle is mouse fart quiet, I assume the pistol is close to that performance.

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Benjamin_ ... C06E.app03

Oops ... maybe not tunable.
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I've been looking at the Marauder, but for the price I can get a Buckmark with threaded barrel. PA is a no go for hunting with airguns so the extra power would be wasted, but it would be a lot of fun. I guess I need to find a place or person near me with one so I can look at it and the hand pump. I'm thinking of taking it on a back pack trip and a pump or springer would take up less room and cargo weight too. Time for more research, but I'm looking for a 177 with near 600 fps or a 22 as close to 500 fps as I can get (or more if tuned a little). I'm trying to keep it as inexpensive as possible with $125 being as much as I want to spend on the gun alone.
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Just remember when you're looking at manufacturer claims or the claims of shopping sites your actuals on fps are going to be lower depending on the pellet. Most of those stats are based on ~5gr .177 or ~10gr .22 PBA pellets.

"hunting is a no go so the power would be wasted" ... "a 177 with near 600 fps or a 22 as close to 500 fps"

These two statements appear to be at conflict with one another.

Pushing a 8+gr pellet over 600 fps for a 177 pistol is in the upper echelon of air pistol power unless the only thing you're shooting is lightweight PBA pellets. Getting a 8+gr 177 pellet over 600 fps in a air pistol is not a minor achievement and for anything other than a springer or a suppressed PCP it's going to generate a little noise.

You also keep mentioning tuning and inexpensive in the same posts which don't necessarily go together so that's a little confusing for me as well.

Anyway, it doesn't look like I can be of much help to you. Good luck in your search.
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The tuning part is because I like tinkering. I only have 1 firearm that I haven't "customized" and it is my son's Cricket. I was just looking at the Hatsan 25 in both calibers for reference. I noticed that my recently found pellets are 3 still sealed 500ct Beeman Silver Aces too. At slightly over 8gr, I know the velocity will suffer some. I greatly appreciate your input Doubloon. You have pointed out some things I hadn't considered. It has been 17 years since I messed with airguns. I remember shooting these pellets in a Pumpmaster 760 and a Daisy spring piston rifle and taking rabbits and many smaller animals inside of 40 yards. From the reading I've been doing it looks like for less possible headaches the .177 is the route to go if I plan on interstate travel though. For my purposes, I will most likely stick to match type pellets once my reserve of Silver Aces is used up. That's always subject to change though.

It may get used for some pest control and meat for the pot where permitted by law and with proper license secured. That is the biggest reason that power, while not the prime concern, is still bearing some weight in my decision. I think making custom grips/stock and a matching pump arm handle for the 13xx series would be fun. And for $52 it does fit the inexpensive criteria. The noise level only need to be quieter than a LR rifle with sshp unsuppressed which should not be difficult to accomplish from my feeble recollection of years gone by. Or am I still grasping for next to impossible with the 13xx series? From what I remember, the cocking handle popping back on the pump/resevior area was louder than the shot.
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If you like tinkering then the 1377/22 is the Ruger 10/22 of air pistols. There are other guns out there that afford some tinkering but none that I have seen with the community support the 1377 enjoys.

For .177 vs .22 there are a few "regulations" among some municipalities that are biased against .22 and most air rifle clubs are biased against .22 as well since it's hard on targets plus there is no comparison for the number choices between .177 and .22 pellets.

I prefer to do more shooting than pumping or tinkering so what few air guns I have are all spring or PCP powered today but I was a big Benjamin fan in my youth.
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