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Can't get my Element open....

Post by thunderstickjohnson » Tue May 13, 2014 9:11 pm

Didn't pay attention and put to many rounds through it without cleaning it, now I can't get the front or rear cap off. Anyone have any tips or tricks and its going to be a bitch to get the baffles out as I don't have a pusher tool.......help....

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Re: Can't get my Element open....

Post by doubloon » Tue May 13, 2014 9:40 pm

Try replacing the battery in the remote. If that doesn't work call Honda.

But seriously ... a wooden dowel and some tender but firm taps with a hammer are a decent substitute for a pusher tool. But you have to get that other end cap off first.

I can think of several things I would personally try but nothing I feel confident about communicating in a forum post.
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Re: Can't get my Element open....

Post by thunderstickjohnson » Tue May 13, 2014 11:14 pm

Yeah planned on the dowel and hammer method, I have never had a problem getting the caps off before, I really over did it on the round count, So far I have tried to put a strap wrench on the end cap tool , no luck.. trying not to damage the finish. Next I was going to try and heat it up a little and see if it breaks loose.

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Re: Can't get my Element open....

Post by rimshaker » Wed May 14, 2014 1:02 am

Can you estimate about how many rounds you went through since the last cleaning?

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Re: Can't get my Element open....

Post by doubloon » Wed May 14, 2014 8:01 am

You didn't happen to use anything like thread tape or loctite on the end caps did you?

After something like Kroil or soaking the end of the suppressor in cup of CLP a strap wrench, vise padded with wood and a little heat were all things on the list I'd personally try.

The placement and amount of heat along with the pressure on the vise and wrench are all a little subjective and could lead to mangled metal if care is not taken which is why I hesitate to recommend the option over the interwebs.
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Re: Can't get my Element open....

Post by thunderstickjohnson » Wed May 14, 2014 9:41 am

No everything has anti seize on it. It is soaking in kroil and sprayed a bunch inside, going to use a heat gun on the end and then the strap wrenches thought about barrel vice im just afraid it will damage the finish.
I think it has 2000 through it. I thought I had cleaned it after 1000 then went out with my kids and some friends and put another 1000 through it. Im going to weigh it before I take it apart see how much lead is in it.

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Re: Can't get my Element open....

Post by 66427vette » Wed May 14, 2014 3:04 pm

Are you turning it the right way? :)

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Re: Can't get my Element open....

Post by jt526 » Wed May 14, 2014 6:38 pm

Kroil, freeze it, let it warm, freeze, more kroil, freeze, then warm it up and strapwrench time. Always worked on my YHM Mite, until the core seized so bad it sheared off in the tube!
Stupid, stupid NFA items.

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Re: Can't get my Element open....

Post by thunderstickjohnson » Thu May 15, 2014 11:51 am

Yeah im going to freeze it real good then warm up the end quickly with a heat gun

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Re: Can't get my Element open....

Post by AZGUNNER » Sat May 17, 2014 11:03 pm

Got my original name back, Yeah cold heat kroil need a better strap wrench nothing is working so far, I wonder if I put a couple mags through it real quick if that would help loosen it up.

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Re: Can't get my Element open....

Post by Bendersquint » Sat May 17, 2014 11:41 pm

AZGUNNER wrote:Got my original name back, Yeah cold heat kroil need a better strap wrench nothing is working so far, I wonder if I put a couple mags through it real quick if that would help loosen it up.
No it won't, it will only add to it.

If you heated it I am sure you heated it more than a couple mags of added fouling will.

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Re: Can't get my Element open....

Post by AZGUNNER » Sat May 17, 2014 11:50 pm

How about putting it in a barrel vice then I could get more leverage on the cap wrench with channel locks or something, im just afraid to damage the finish or the tube. I must have put alot more rounds through it then I thought.

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Re: Can't get my Element open....

Post by jt526 » Mon May 19, 2014 3:38 pm

I used to use a thick piece of neoprene under the strap wrench on my old Mite to increase the grip. Take down tool clamped in the vice, wrap 1/4 neoprene rubber for grip around the tube, strap wrench from home depot around that. Worked so well I sheared the core off inside, but the cap came loose!
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Re: Can't get my Element open....

Post by aries14482 » Mon May 19, 2014 7:36 pm

Could the tube withstand some soaking time in 'The Dip' without significant damage?

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Re: Can't get my Element open....

Post by Bendersquint » Mon May 19, 2014 9:33 pm

aries14482 wrote:Could the tube withstand some soaking time in 'The Dip' without significant damage?
Nope, the titanium will be damaged.

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Re: Can't get my Element open....

Post by Tater_ga » Thu May 22, 2014 11:35 am

Why not just purchase the pusher tool. That's exactly why it was made. That's going to be a lot cheaper than you making a accidental gouge with a strap wrench. I'm pretty sure we have free shipping on everything, too. Use the coupon code AACUPPERS and you'll get free shipping whether you buy an upper or not.

I'm guessing you got the end cap off. Right?
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Re: Can't get my Element open....

Post by AZGUNNER » Thu May 22, 2014 8:07 pm

No I can't get the end cap off, I only have the wrench that comes with the Element. I saw that they have another wrench available, does it work better then the stock wrench with the 2 little pins? I plan on buying the pusher tool when I get it open.

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Re: Can't get my Element open....

Post by RJT » Thu May 22, 2014 10:16 pm

Heat it with a soldering torch, and be done with it. The finish isn't that durable to begin with.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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Re: Can't get my Element open....

Post by Bendersquint » Thu May 22, 2014 10:18 pm

RJT wrote:Heat it with a soldering torch, and be done with it. The finish isn't that durable to begin with.
That runs the risk of damaging the titanium tubing. I wouldn't recommend that at all, and I know AAC wouldn't.

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Re: Can't get my Element open....

Post by RJT » Thu May 22, 2014 11:03 pm

Really? Lead melts at 622, and Ti melts at 3000+. Maybe its the grade of titanium that used?

I'll definitely take your word for it though.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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Re: Can't get my Element open....

Post by Bendersquint » Thu May 22, 2014 11:10 pm

RJT wrote:Really? Lead melts at 622, and Ti melts at 3000+. Maybe its the grade of titanium that used?

I'll definitely take your word for it though.
Ti doesn't have to melt to be damaged.

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Re: Can't get my Element open....

Post by AZGUNNER » Fri May 23, 2014 12:56 am

Won't be using a torch on it, trying to keep the finish nice. I have been using a heat gun and it gets it plenty hot , the crappy tool is all I have if I had 2 I could get better leverage and im sure it will open. The strap wrenches I have just spin on the slick tube. I wish it had some kind of bigger wrench set up on the end caps, I have had it apart many times with no problems, I guess I just put to many rounds through it.
They don't have a picture of the new style end cap wrench on the website, im hoping it has more pins and flat sides for a wrench, one on each end should be just as good as putting it in a vise, im not a little guy I could probably twist the tube if I wasn't careful. The front cap must have a bunch of lead fusing it to the tube, the adapter on the p22 was almost closed up. The kids put a ton of rounds through it.

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Re: Can't get my Element open....

Post by 1_ar_newbie » Wed May 28, 2014 9:55 am

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Re: Can't get my Element open....

Post by AZGUNNER » Thu May 29, 2014 2:39 pm

Thanks Mike sent you an email.

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