Scarmor option for those willing to wait?

kalikraven · Post by **kalikraven** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:28 pm

Has this been considered? I have a 5.56 can on order with one of the boards dealers and one of the reasons why I went with AAC is the SCARmor finish. I understand that this may cause a delay in the shipping of my can but this does not bother me. In my opinion it is worth the wait. So I ask is this option completely gone? And if so will their be a price change?

Thank you.

M16MANIAC · Post by **M16MANIAC** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:38 pm

From what I have gathered so far, there will be no more SACRmor period.
They will not offer it at all. Atleast that is what kevin is saying.

ZOMBIE101 · Post by **ZOMBIE101** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:37 pm

Is there an Alternative to this Scarmore finish....Ion Bond Maybee?

David Hineline · Post by **David Hineline** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:16 pm

ZOMBIE101 wrote:Is there an Alternative to this Scarmore finish....Ion Bond Maybee?

problem with any type of aftermarket finishes is can the company that does the work legally take possesion of a NFA item, your local bumper plating shop could not.

SicSemperTyrannis · Post by **SicSemperTyrannis** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:02 pm

David Hineline wrote:
ZOMBIE101 wrote:Is there an Alternative to this Scarmore finish....Ion Bond Maybee?
problem with any type of aftermarket finishes is can the company that does the work legally take possesion of a NFA item, your local bumper plating shop could not.

I know non SOTs can take possession of items for repair. Is adding a finish to a product not a repair?

Doink67 · Post by **Doink67** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:14 pm

what happened to the multi page discussion on this

SWATH · Post by **SWATH** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:00 pm

Doink67 wrote:what happened to the multi page discussion on this

Desaparecido

silentobsession · Post by **silentobsession** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 9:12 am

Doink67 wrote:what happened to the multi page discussion on this

Discussion? What discussion? There never was a discussion. You are mistaken.

David Hineline · Post by **David Hineline** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 9:38 am

SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
David Hineline wrote:
ZOMBIE101 wrote:Is there an Alternative to this Scarmore finish....Ion Bond Maybee?
problem with any type of aftermarket finishes is can the company that does the work legally take possesion of a NFA item, your local bumper plating shop could not.
I know non SOTs can take possession of items for repair. Is adding a finish to a product not a repair?

You still have to convince your local muffler plating shop that they need to be a licened firearms manufacturer if not an SOT.

Kevin/AAC · Post by **Kevin/AAC** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:11 pm

Sorry, but SCARmor is no longer available as a silencer finish. It will only happen again if the military goes to it.

PTK · Post by **PTK** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 6:39 pm

I happen to like the current black finish. Hit it with a bit of CLP and it REALLY turns jet black.

jimmym40a2 · Post by **jimmym40a2** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:15 pm

So my card promising my finish is no good? Can I trade my card for some Tshirts and stickers?

Hootiewho · Post by **Hootiewho** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:50 am

That means my 07 model M42K and 07 1/2ish 762SD with Scarmor are special AAC cans.

DevL · Post by **DevL** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:04 pm

Hootiewho wrote:That means my 07 model M42K and 07 1/2ish 762SD with Scarmor are special AAC cans.

Yeah but I have 08 baffles in my SPR/M4 AND the SCARmor.

Jonas · Post by **Jonas** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 2:19 pm

This makes AAC rifle silencers less desirable to me. Why bother with designing a superior product and using the best materials if you compromise on the finish?

David Hineline · Post by **David Hineline** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:32 pm

Because only OC civilians care about finish over performance. On a product marketed primarily to the military, they would not care, they are going to cover it with duct tape, paint it with krylon, scratch it up with sand intentionally.

Jonas · Post by **Jonas** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:58 pm

David Hineline wrote:Because only OC civilians care about finish over performance. On a product marketed primarily to the military, they would not care, they are going to cover it with duct tape, paint it with krylon, scratch it up with sand intentionally.

Obviously the commercial market is a concern to AAC, else this website wouldn't exist, nor would they ship their cans in such pretty packages and tubes. Obsessive civilians want a durable, corrosion resistant finish for their expensive silencers. I'm one of them.

SCARMOR should be available as a custom option. Once enough orders are placed requesting SCARMOR'ed cans, they can all be done in a batch. Does this not make sense?

Post by **silencertalk** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:13 pm

pbauw wrote:This makes AAC rifle silencers less desirable to me. Why bother with designing a superior product and using the best materials if you compromise on the finish?

Our problem is not having as much product as there is demand, not that people complain about GunKote. In other words, if we offered SCARmor we would sell fewer cans (due to delays), not more (due to people demanding it).

ArevaloSOCOM · Post by **ArevaloSOCOM** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:22 pm

pbauw wrote:
David Hineline wrote:Because only OC civilians care about finish over performance. On a product marketed primarily to the military, they would not care, they are going to cover it with duct tape, paint it with krylon, scratch it up with sand intentionally.
Obviously the commercial market is a concern to AAC, else this website wouldn't exist, nor would they ship their cans in such pretty packages and tubes. Obsessive civilians want a durable, corrosion resistant finish for their expensive silencers. I'm one of them.

SCARMOR should be available as a custom option. Once enough orders are placed requesting SCARMOR'ed cans, they can all be done in a batch. Does this not make sense?

+1

There is demand without a doubt........

David Hineline · Post by **David Hineline** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:23 pm

pbauw wrote:
David Hineline wrote:Because only OC civilians care about finish over performance. On a product marketed primarily to the military, they would not care, they are going to cover it with duct tape, paint it with krylon, scratch it up with sand intentionally.
Obviously the commercial market is a concern to AAC, else this website wouldn't exist, nor would they ship their cans in such pretty packages and tubes. Obsessive civilians want a durable, corrosion resistant finish for their expensive silencers. I'm one of them.

SCARMOR should be available as a custom option. Once enough orders are placed requesting SCARMOR'ed cans, they can all be done in a batch. Does this not make sense?

If there is such a great demand for the finish, then that's a new market nich for you to go into business and get rich. Get your 07/02 manuf. licenase and start putting the better finish on silencers.

AAC has to make thier own business decistions, there are many they have made I do not like, but I roll with the punches and move on, get over it, deal with it. That makes sense to me.

cryptopunk · Post by **cryptopunk** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:25 pm

I'll second the post above. For those of us who purchased cans previously (I purchased a M4-2000) that were supposed to have SCARmor - but were delivered without the specified finish - will these be refinished according to the cards shipped with the cans?

aroundlsu · Post by **aroundlsu** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:33 pm

cryptopunk wrote:I'll second the post above. For those of us who purchased cans previously (I purchased a M4-2000) that were supposed to have SCARmor - but were delivered without the specified finish - will these be refinished according to the cards shipped with the cans?

No it will not be.

"Specifications subject to change without notice" was their reason.

I didn't get a card but my manual says it is supposed to have SCARmor. Like I posted before, my finish has burned off with semi-auto only use.

kapkanimd · Post by **kapkanimd** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:07 pm

thats a tragedy for such a good looking gun, but I guess since its a more available finish, I would think it wouldnt be hard to just keep redoing by yourself (I have no idea what it takes to do, so that is just a complete assumption)

new-arguy · Post by **new-arguy** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:45 pm

The SCARmor was a good finish, but its going to come off if you shoot it often enough. Semi or not. I would lay odds the pic above is of a can that has been shot until it was waaaaay hot for a semi prolonged period of time. I can tell its a SBR (or pistol) which is harder on the can (and its finish). I can also tell its a POF (my apologies

).

I use a SCARmor M42000 as well and the finish has come off at the center. The gun is also only semi auto, but it has been through at least 3 carbine classes and at least 3 demo's, including the '08 AAC Silencer Shoot and a LWRC demo at a Pat Rogers class. In both instances I pretty much let people shoot the crap out of the gun. I would estimate about 600-800 rounds went through the gun in about 90 minutes at that LWRC demo. Thats the date I noticed the finsh wear through.

I have a KAC can that I have worn the finish off the center too. Again, this can has been shot, a lot, primarily on short barrel rifles. Whatever...

To imply this is a tragedy of any sort indicates a great disparity between the way some people view their gear and others. Any item will wear with use. The degree of wear should be a direct reflection of its use. If you want a silencer finish that will not wear, shoot it on a bolt gun... chambered in .22lr. Only use light loads.

On the other hand, if you plan to use your gear, plan to see wear on the finish on high stress areas of all your gear. All of it. Regardless of the brand name finish. Period.

kapkanimd · Post by **kapkanimd** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:37 am

touche...

all good points, but in the end people just want what they pay for... obviously no one is going to get it back and maybe complaining online makes them feel like everyone stood up for themselves or at least tried..

and I see what you are saying about even the scarmor wearing off, but it seems like you have put that can through a lot more than the average person would and their finish would prob still be on.. and again you cant compare the case in this rifle with everyone, not everyone has a SBR..

in the end, this topic is pretty much dead.. no one is still complaining (or at least im not) I have no prob with AAC or their decision, just wish that it could of came in a better fashion than after the fact and on a forum...