What is the quietest suppressed firearm?

[mr45auto]

Just curious what it THE quietest suppressed firearm available from anybody? My WAG ( wild assed guess ) would be an integral 77/22 bolt gun firing a subsonic. I'd be looking for a practical round, so the colibri is out. One suitable for small game would be preferable. Is a .22 the way to go or are there any pistol or rifle calibers that can be as quiet?

[Tugnut]

Good guess.

[pokey]

Just food for thought. Suppressed weapons are illegal to hunt with in many states. I dont' know about where you are, but you might want to check first.

[mr45auto]

I'm in Oregon, I havent found anything about it in the regs. Next time I run into a trooper when I'm up shooting I'll ask them about it since they enforce game laws.

[pokey]

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/ODFWhtml/Inf ... irearm.pdf

I found this page and it didn't say anything about suppressors. I'm in GA and work for Game and Fish and we have a law against hunting with suppressors. I think it is intended to make it harder for folks to poach without detection, but I would be all for repealing this law is they asked me. I don't suppose that is likely, though.

[renegade]

You can hunt non-game animals with any legal firearm ( MG, Silencer, etc) in Texas.

[germansilencer]

Just curious what it THE quietest suppressed firearm available from anybody? My WAG ( wild assed guess ) would be an integral 77/22 bolt gun firing a subsonic. I'd be looking for a practical round, so the colibri is out. One suitable for small game would be preferable. Is a .22 the way to go or are there any pistol or rifle calibers that can be as quiet?

The quietest firearms are captive piston ammo arms from russia. The next one are Kitzmann-silenced 22s. Then there is a big gap, and afterwards comes the rest of silenced weaponry.

[delta9mda]

what about the kac r squared?

[#93]

The quietest firearms are captive piston ammo arms from russia. The next one are Kitzmann-silenced 22s. Then there is a big gap, and afterwards comes the rest of silenced weaponry.

Can you elaborate on the Kitzmann suppressed 22s. I did a brief Goggle search and did not find anything usefull.

[caver101]

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/ODFWhtml/Inf ... irearm.pdf

I found this page and it didn't say anything about suppressors. I'm in GA and work for Game and Fish and we have a law against hunting with suppressors. I think it is intended to make it harder for folks to poach without detection, but I would be all for repealing this law is they asked me. I don't suppose that is likely, though.

Sorry to hijack, BUT I am from GA also and there are several guys from SnipersHide and AR15.com that are gonna TRY to see what we can do. From my understnding the next DNR meeting will not be untill 2007! What part of the state are you from? I know several DNR guys. I am in the NW corner.

More info on the Kitzmann please.

[BookHound]

caver101, pokey and I have already spoken. He's on board with our efforts and we're going to try some "things" within the next few months to further our agenda. I'll talk to you more on Saturday.

germansilencer, as others have already asked, got any more info for us? Thanks!

[Suputin]

I'm in GA and work for Game and Fish and we have a law against hunting with suppressors. I think it is intended to make it harder for folks to poach without detection

Well seeing as poaching is NOT hunting, that is a pretty stupid reason for such a law. Basically that is a law against breaking another law.

[pokey]

Well seeing as poaching is NOT hunting, that is a pretty stupid reason for such a law. Basically that is a law against breaking another law.

Well, it doesn't make much sense. I don't know what if anything precipitated this law, but I might have to do some research. I do know that it is extremely rare that it is charged.

[Dan]

I sure would like to see the law changed in GA.

I carry a suppresed rifle around to shoot coyotes, but suspect that fish and game would think that I was obviously a poacher.

Let me know if I could be of any help.

Dan

[Zephyr]

germansilencer,

Can you provide more info on the Kitzmann silenced 22s please?


Frank

[1911pilot]

Me too! Whats a Kitzmann silenced 22? It sounds neat.

[gunny50]

Me too! Whats a Kitzmann silenced 22? It sounds neat.

I know its antique but wanted tos update it.

Kitzman was a German Gunsmith that experimented a lot with Silencers.
http://www.collectible-arms.de/upload/a ... ann_SD.pdf
He made several super slim silencers that where almost non visible as the where fitted inside the original barrels.

Gunny

[Jimmy_Jr]

I'm in Oregon, I havent found anything about it in the regs. Next time I run into a trooper when I'm up shooting I'll ask them about it since they enforce game laws.

I'm in Oregon, too. There's nothing on the books prohibiting hunting with suppressors. You could ask a State Trooper or Game Warden, but most of them seem to be ignorant of relevant laws; they have legal counsel within their respective departments to answer the hard questions.

As for quiet combinations...

I don't know if anyone still makes a replica or similar, but the DeLisle Carbine was one of the best. 303 British Enfield converted to 45ACP, 7" barrel and integral suppressor, and a mag block to use 1911 magazine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsUALdGog4U

[Sdustin]

Thankfully the law against hunting with silencers has been changed in GA, prior to that the way the regulations read you could hunt with a belt fed machine gun but not a single shot with a silencer. There is still no capacity limit for deer and now you can use the can.

[Todd Is]

You are correct that a integrally suppressed bolt .22 rimfire LR is by far the quietest of configurations. Of course it doesn't have to be brand specific. I had a Sears Roebuck single action rifle that imo, exceeded hollywood quiet.

[doubloon]

... imo, exceeded hollywood quiet.

Airguns hover around the 95-100 dB range

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153-190 -- if I were you I'd sell that KelTec RFB
147-152 -- unless that's a 50BMG you got ripped off
141-146 -- are you sure those rounds are subsonic?
135-140 -- you didn't spend enough
129-134 -- loud
123-128 -- quiet
117-122 -- stupid quiet
111-116 -- giggly quiet
105-110 -- mouse fart quiet
100-104 -- is that an air gun or did you forget to load it?
000-099 -- Hollywood

[Todd Is]

Airguns was where I got my start in my early teens, I spent many a covert operations knocking off starlings in n around barn lots Yea...a suppressed air rifle is uber quiet.

[doubloon]

Airguns was where I got my start in my early teens, I spent many a covert operations knocking off starlings in n around barn lots Yea...a suppressed air rifle is uber quiet.

Some of the smaller .177s can dip down into the lower 90s (barely into the upper 80s), unsuppressed PCPs are loud as f*k.

I have a .177 Marauder that I thought was broken the first time I fired it, never heard anything but the hammer.

The lowest number I've seen released by a reputable manufacturer for a firearm is 109dB for a 22 suppressor. Jesse James claimed to be in the 70s but he's just full of sh*t.

http://www.straightshooters.com/decibel ... rguns.html

[Todd Is]

Great link...lots of interesting info......looks like its possible to thread the eye of a needle with one of those tackdrivers.

[doubloon]

Pretty close.