$500 SBR challenge

renegade · Post by **renegade** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:33 pm

Kel-Tec Sub2000 < $400.

No SBR needed folded length is 16 inches, fits in most backpacks.

apochachuva · Post by **apochachuva** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:18 pm

renegade wrote:Kel-Tec Sub2000 < $400.

No SBR needed folded length is 16 inches, fits in most backpacks.

That's going around the idea of the challenge.

jlwilliams · Post by **jlwilliams** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:40 am

While I have to agree that a larger initial investment would yield a better result; I like the mental exercise of the challenge. It's all about "what if".

The stocked pistol is likeley the most practical option. At that point you can really base a project like that on whatever you find a good deal on.

Another parameter that would get you in under the $500 mark is SBRing a 22. The OP wants more power, and more power is good, but the topic is the $500 SBR challenge. No doubt you could chop off any one of many 22 rifles or bolt a stock onto any 22 pistol within the budget.

How about a wheel gun? I know the OP wants a semi auto, but since we're throwing ideas around.... There used to be shoulder stocked revolvers way back when, and there are still some black powder ones available. A 357mag (or whatever flavor you wish) wheel gun with a detatchable shoulder stock would be pretty cool.

Neat thread.

ScottRS · Post by **ScottRS** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:31 am

Kitbuilt under- or side- folder AK might just make the price point; bonus savings in that 922r doesn't apply to NFA stuff, so you don't have to buy compliance parts.

Centerfire has barrel-included Romanian M65 kits for $250, or barrel-less for $120, Apex has Romy barrels for $100. That plus a receiver might crack past $300, but a DIY flat would make it under $300. More work, but bending AK flats isn't hard.

If it'll be SBR anyway, buying the barrel-less kit saves disassembly work to cut the barrel down, and once the barrel is pulled, you really should headspace it anyway, plus, it's slightly cheaper.

Dweezil · Post by **Dweezil** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:55 am

Another vote for the NEF HandiRifle. Get it in 30/30, 7.62x39, .357 or .45LC. All easy to suppress. Lots of barrel choices once you've registered your receiver. Not tacticool but very practical.

jlwilliams · Post by **jlwilliams** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:08 am

Maybe...practicool?

apochachuva · Post by **apochachuva** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:28 pm

ScottRS wrote:Kitbuilt under- or side- folder AK might just make the price point; bonus savings in that 922r doesn't apply to NFA stuff, so you don't have to buy compliance parts.

Centerfire has barrel-included Romanian M65 kits for $250, or barrel-less for $120, Apex has Romy barrels for $100. That plus a receiver might crack past $300, but a DIY flat would make it under $300. More work, but bending AK flats isn't hard.

If it'll be SBR anyway, buying the barrel-less kit saves disassembly work to cut the barrel down, and once the barrel is pulled, you really should headspace it anyway, plus, it's slightly cheaper.

this has sparked my interest. I'll have to also look at ppsh-43 builds.

jlwilliams · Post by **jlwilliams** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:06 pm

If you are willing to do the work of a kit build, then a PPS or an AK shorty would kick some real butt.

Is minimal machining/ fabricating a parameter of the $500 challenge? If you're willing to build, the options expand dramaticly.

You can do a Skorpion re-weld for under $300. Lots of WWII and Cold War era subgun semis become an option......

ThePatriot · Post by **ThePatriot** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:58 pm

Diomed wrote:
Twinsen wrote:Didn't somebody just come out with a stock for a MkII ruger?
Well, if you want to blow your budget...

Gaytarded

Twinsen · Post by **Twinsen** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:32 pm

Is that the one that just came out? I can't picture the newish setup.

apochachuva · Post by **apochachuva** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:49 pm

jlwilliams wrote:If you are willing to do the work of a kit build, then a PPS or an AK shorty would kick some real butt.

Is minimal machining/ fabricating a parameter of the $500 challenge? If you're willing to build, the options expand dramaticly.

You can do a Skorpion re-weld for under $300. Lots of WWII and Cold War era subgun semis become an option......

I can weld no problem, milling might be an issue.

Sid Post · Post by **Sid Post** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:50 am

What is the point? $300 for an SBR is not going to give you many options or a lot of quality. You don't have to spend a fortune to get a good quality rifle/SBR but, $500 to $700 opens up a lot of options.

For $300, a rifle that has a removable barrel is going to be a good option since you don't have the $200 NFA tax and could spend $500

. Some factory side folding stock rifles are good alternatives. For a "road" gun, an AOW Safety Harbor KEG-12 is hard to beat (and it's a $5 tax

). If you need more range and power then a 12 gauge, the AK-47/Krink options become attractive (I like the Russian "x39" options better then a .223 in general for SBR's).

apochachuva · Post by **apochachuva** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:34 pm

Sid Post wrote:What is the point? $300 for an SBR is not going to give you many options or a lot of quality. You don't have to spend a fortune to get a good quality rifle/SBR but, $500 to $700 opens up a lot of options.

The point is to see what options there are.

rogerxd45 · Post by **rogerxd45** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:18 am

Diomed wrote:
Twinsen wrote:Didn't somebody just come out with a stock for a MkII ruger?
Well, if you want to blow your budget...

isnt it legal to convert a pistol to a rifle as long as you dont switch it back to a pistol?

that barrel looks like it could be 16" so that might not require the tax stamp

my understanding of the law is that you can convert a pistol to a rifle but once you do its a rifle but can no longer be a pistol (except for the thompson contenders that can go back and forth)

YugoRPK · Post by **YugoRPK** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:23 am

CKOD wrote:
apochachuva wrote:
CKOD wrote: Why not go for a CZ-52? 7.62x25 has a lot more ass to it then 9mm mak.

Not as suppressable since it comes out screamin fast but that wasnt one of the original requirements.

that + jhp ammo = a whole lotta mess s--t up power.
Suppressability would be just a bonus. Seen any CZ-52s for sale under 200$ lately?
That's why I was thinking TTC(Romanian TT33 clone)
Hmm well the TT33 has a button mag release instead of a heel mag release, so thats a plus . Aim surplus has TT33s for $219 with penny shipping and I cant find any CZ-52s anywhere at low prices, damn its been more then a few months since Ive checked

Why is that a plus? Ive never understood the American need for a button mag release. Its harder to manipulate than a heel release and I havent seen heel mag release gun magazines exactly falling out on their own. The only thing I don't like about my buckmark is the button mag release.

jandbj · Post by **jandbj** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:52 am

T/C Contender!
Everything from .17 HMR to .45-70, factory 10"-14" barrels, etc...

RidgeRunner · Post by **RidgeRunner** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:32 am

I was going to suggest a Glock of some sort with the stock commonly seen on G18s until I saw the tax stamp had to be included in the $500.

$350-$400 used Glock
$100-$150 stock from dealers online once the stamp arrives.

dustingaunder · Post by **dustingaunder** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:56 am

Chop a 9mm hi-point carbine.

jlwilliams · Post by **jlwilliams** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:25 pm

I was wondering when someone would say that.

DoctorSolo · Post by **DoctorSolo** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:33 am

Since I own a 1911 lower I'd go this route and give the upper to my machine shop to choppy choppy...

Maybe it overshoots by the budget by a hundred bones or so, but with a decent optic these things are fun...Probably need a bigger can like the Ti-rant to curb blowback...

Diomed · Post by **Diomed** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:58 am

rogerxd45 wrote:isnt it legal to convert a pistol to a rifle as long as you dont switch it back to a pistol?

Sure.

that barrel looks like it could be 16" so that might not require the tax stamp

The silencer tube is 13.25", so it's a two-stamp setup.

my understanding of the law is that you can convert a pistol to a rifle but once you do its a rifle but can no longer be a pistol (except for the thompson contenders that can go back and forth)

Funny you should ask. I chatted up a rep from FTB about that while at SAR. His take was that yes, going back to pistol is not legal under the NFA, but no one at ATF actually gives a s--t, as evidenced by the answer you get if you tell ATF you converted your SBR'd pistol back into a non-SBR and want its new status reflected in the registry (the answer being "Okay!").

DeltaPDesign · Post by **DeltaPDesign** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:19 pm

Get one of the Savage combination guns in .223/12 ga, have a Type 07 FFL/SOT chop the barrels back to whatever fits in your pack and register it as an AOW then transfer it to you on a $5 stamp.

Save on the taxes man!

ctdonath · Post by **ctdonath** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:54 am

Meet the "Obryez":

You'll need the other $250 for the suppressor.

GlockandRoll · Post by **GlockandRoll** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:17 pm

ctdonath wrote:Meet the "Obryez":

You'll need the other $250 for the suppressor.

That's photoshop'd.

jlwilliams · Post by **jlwilliams** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:44 pm

I can't speak for that picture's authenticity, but there have been some Mosin Nagant SBRs. The AOW Mosin is a sick idea. I like it. Combinig the rolls of firearm and flame thrower in one package. Perfect for....something. I'm sure of that.

$500 SBR challenge

Skip the $200 tax and use a stocked AOW