Which 45 suppressor host

Ge-mini-gun · Post by **Ge-mini-gun** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:18 am

You forking guys aren't making this easier. I shoot my 1911 better than any pistol I own...I never thought about getting a threaded barrel for it. Also I've never shot a 220, however I own a 229 which is about the third most accurate gun I have/shoot. Little history...I'm saving up for a Trident 9 and since I don't want to go through choosing a host gun again I dropped a email to SWR...they said a 226 would be the better gun out of what I was looking at...so. I'm thinking a 220 would be better than the USP (that I already have). If that was/is the case I was going to sell/trade for a 220. As a note, whatever gun I get will be shot 99% of the time with the suppressor...if that makes a difference.

ArevaloSOCOM · Post by **ArevaloSOCOM** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:23 am

MK23.

Artful · Post by **Artful** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:36 am

Sounds like a 1911A1 barrel would give you the most accurate and most inexpensive solution - in .45

if you have a 9mm 229 I would just get a barrel for that on as well.

Ge-mini-gun · Post by **Ge-mini-gun** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:51 am

229 is 357 Sig. Little more information...I have a MKIII as a host which is shot 99.9% of the time with the suppressor, with that said the internals of that gun get incredibly dirty...yes I know 22's are probably the dirtiest thing one could shoot, it's just the suppressor blows so much crap back into the action it's crazy. I've never shot a 45 or a 9mm with a suppressor...so I would think that they all blow some crap back into the action. So I guess I'm more looking for a gun that's A) easier to clean...B) can go longer between cleanings...C) be able to handle starter fluid/carb cleaner. Thanks for all the help and suggestions.

ArevaloSOCOM · Post by **ArevaloSOCOM** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:59 am

Just an FYI about 1911's:

Trey Knight:

The USSOCOM pistol program got offtrack when to many groups tried to piggyback the program and a consensus could not be made amongst the different groups. Many like the 1911 style which is harsd to suppress . Some groups said they had no need for a suppressor at all.

Ge-mini-gun · Post by **Ge-mini-gun** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:05 pm

Why would a 1911 be harder to suppress than any other gun? Not like it's an open bolt.

ArevaloSOCOM · Post by **ArevaloSOCOM** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:07 pm

Ge-mini-gun wrote:Why would a 1911 be harder to suppress than any other gun? Not like it's an open bolt.

No idea.

I just remember him saying it and with Knights being directly involved in one of the more infamous .45 cans ever made, I trust it.

Ge-mini-gun · Post by **Ge-mini-gun** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:14 pm

Interesting. I know 9mm's are quieter than 45...maybe that was their thinking

Mageever · Post by **Mageever** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:05 pm

Ge-mini-gun wrote:Why would a 1911 be harder to suppress than any other gun? Not like it's an open bolt.

I think they are just sensitive to build variation. You throw in that many different manufacturers and it's just what you get. I've shot a very nice custom built 1911 and it was a tad quieter than an HK USP Tactical. There was more blow back in general, though. I personally like the HK45.

kapkanimd · Post by **kapkanimd** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:05 pm

Is it possible to get a 1911 barrel threaded to M16x1 like the USP Tactical so we dont have to buy 2 pistons.....???

tctlrld · Post by **tctlrld** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:30 pm

kapkanimd wrote:Is it possible to get a 1911 barrel threaded to M16x1 like the USP Tactical so we dont have to buy 2 pistons.....???

A bull barrel yes. Not enough meat on a standard profile barrel. Jarvis sells them.

LavaRed · Post by **LavaRed** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:08 pm

tctlrld wrote:
kapkanimd wrote:Is it possible to get a 1911 barrel threaded to M16x1 like the USP Tactical so we dont have to buy 2 pistons.....???
A bull barrel yes. Not enough meat on a standard profile barrel. Jarvis sells them.

I'm curious. How is the bull barrel retained in the gun? Anyone care to show disassebly pics?
Thanks,
Lava

Diomed · Post by **Diomed** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:55 am

LavaRed wrote:I'm curious. How is the bull barrel retained in the gun? Anyone care to show disassebly pics?

I'm surprised no one answered you after all this time. The bull barrel is just like the standard barrel but is thick enough that there is no bushing. The significant change comes with the recoil spring cap, which has to be made captive, since the bushing isn't there to retain it. Makes disassembly and reassembly a bit of a pain, as I recall (though it's been about two years since I pulled my bull barrel 1911 apart).

skychaser53 · Post by **skychaser53** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:37 am

I love Colts !! I would always say Colt 1911 always except for one thing. No rail.

For Home defense, I would pick a gun that has a rail. Put a light on it that would blind the intruder.

On the other hand, Colt does have a railed 45 now, I think. I just don't know anything about it.

YugoRPK · Post by **YugoRPK** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:45 am

skychaser53 wrote:I love Colts !! I would always say Colt 1911 always except for one thing. No rail.

For Home defense, I would pick a gun that has a rail. Put a light on it that would blind the intruder.

On the other hand, Colt does have a railed 45 now, I think. I just don't know anything about it.

What do you want to blind him for if your'e going to shoot him anyway? I could see it if you just want to see him better and make sure he's not one of the kids but if he's got a light pointed at him he's going to get shot .

skychaser53 · Post by **skychaser53** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:39 am

YugoRPK wrote:
skychaser53 wrote:I love Colts !! I would always say Colt 1911 always except for one thing. No rail.

For Home defense, I would pick a gun that has a rail. Put a light on it that would blind the intruder.

On the other hand, Colt does have a railed 45 now, I think. I just don't know anything about it.
What do you want to blind him for if your'e going to shoot him anyway? I could see it if you just want to see him better and make sure he's not one of the kids but if he's got a light pointed at him he's going to get shot .

I meant to blind him temporarily.. When an intruder has a blinding light in his eyes, he can't see where to shoot. and of course to make sure ,Im not shooting one of the kids.

Twinsen · Post by **Twinsen** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:42 am

1911, because my trigger control is terrible. With that gun, not that noticeable.

LavaRed · Post by **LavaRed** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 1:32 pm

Diomed wrote:
LavaRed wrote:I'm curious. How is the bull barrel retained in the gun? Anyone care to show disassebly pics?
I'm surprised no one answered you after all this time. The bull barrel is just like the standard barrel but is thick enough that there is no bushing. The significant change comes with the recoil spring cap, which has to be made captive, since the bushing isn't there to retain it. Makes disassembly and reassembly a bit of a pain, as I recall (though it's been about two years since I pulled my bull barrel 1911 apart).

Thanks

. That explains.
May I trouble you asking how the recoil spring cap is kept captive inside the slide?
And, does one need a specialized slide to use a bull barrel, or can a standard, 1950's Colt hard slide be used?

Diomed · Post by **Diomed** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:45 am

LavaRed wrote:May I trouble you asking how the recoil spring cap is kept captive inside the slide?
And, does one need a specialized slide to use a bull barrel, or can a standard, 1950's Colt hard slide be used?

The cap has a lip on the breech end, and the slide is usually relieved so the lip fits in and is retained that way. A picture is the easiest way to explain it, but I have no idea where to get one.

So far as I know no special slide is needed. Mine just needed the little machining to hold the recoil spring cap, everything else was left the same (aside from fitting the bull barrel, of course).

Artful · Post by **Artful** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:43 am

Diomed wrote: So far as I know no special slide is needed. Mine just needed the little machining to hold the recoil spring cap, everything else was left the same (aside from fitting the bull barrel, of course).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYiyri3VUz0

LavaRed · Post by **LavaRed** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:09 pm

Diomed and Artful, you each win +1 Internet Cookie Jars.