Best/Cheapest path to full-auto AR

ducati · Post by **ducati** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:13 pm

My interest in full-auto toys rises and falls all the time, but has never actually risen to purchase level. Just never made myself pull the trigger, as it were.

Why, oh why didn't I buy those stupid Macs for 400 bucks years ago? Two grand for an AAC 556? Too rich for my 25yo blood. 2,500 for an M-16? Dream on.

Well, they're not getting any cheaper, so what the hell.
I have a Colt "Sporter", and have been eyeing the .22 version as well as the 15/22. Just watching those little guys rip thru mags with a suppressor on them makes my pants tight in front...

I've got the 5.56, and I suppose I can just get a 22 upper, but hell, I can get a whole new 22 for the same price.

What's my best option for "converting" what I have? Who has registered drop-in sears, or would that even work on my gun? It has a pin blocking the way, supposedly preventing un-authorized hooliganism.

Do I have to break down and get a whole gun, or is there a registered trigger pack for my model? It would be nice to move it from the 223 to a 22 and back, but I don't know if that works these days.

It probably doesn't matter; I still cry when I remember thinking I'll never pay 1,500 bucks for a stupid Norrell trigger. Now look at them.

I'm not above becoming someone's beneficiary if one of you old farts feels your toys will need a tender, loving home when you're gone. You can't take 'em with you, ya know!

YugoRPK · Post by **YugoRPK** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:29 pm

I guess it all depends on how much you have to spend.

FWIW you can still cobble a full auto FNC together for under 6 grand.

Cobra700 · Post by **Cobra700** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:32 pm

$2500 for a m16????

I'll Take it!!

k....My understanding (correct me if im wrong) is:

Lightning Link- About $7K

DIAS- About $8K-$10K

Complete M16- $13K+

LawBob · Post by **LawBob** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:36 pm

My analysis:

Get the DIAS because if you tear up receivers you are screwed.

If you tear up an M16, you're done. It's an aluminum lower. not like a mac10 that can easily be rewelded (though they can weld ar lowers, but it's still aluminum).

DIAS can be moved around to a new receiver.

just 2 cents, for what it's worth.

unless you get your ffl and get pre-ban m16s

ArevaloSOCOM · Post by **ArevaloSOCOM** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:28 pm

Best & Cheapest are like Jumbo Shrimp.

Best? RDIAS

Cheapest? LL

Calibur6918 · Post by **Calibur6918** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:44 pm

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthr ... ost1782670

This was posted at the Hide.

stevejobs · Post by **stevejobs** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:01 pm

Cheapest would be an unregistered sear with a free no-knock ATF raid.

YugoRPK · Post by **YugoRPK** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:16 pm

stevejobs wrote:Cheapest would be an unregistered sear with a free no-knock ATF raid.

A Spectre with a .22lr upper would help with that. Just sayin'.

CKOD · Post by **CKOD** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:17 pm

stevejobs wrote:Cheapest would be an unregistered sear with a free no-knock ATF raid.

dunno, drill presses can cost quite a bit... diy LL might be cheaper

and still come with the side of raid.

Selectedmarksman · Post by **Selectedmarksman** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:25 pm

The ATF raid would be followed by court costs, a $10,000 fine, and 10 years in prison, though. At that point, a registered Lightning Link would be cheaper, and less painful.

Dock Rocker · Post by **Dock Rocker** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:42 pm

http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?

Good source for some Class III goodness

YugoRPK · Post by **YugoRPK** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:49 pm

Selectedmarksman wrote:The ATF raid would be followed by court costs, a $10,000 fine, and 10 years in prison, though. At that point, a registered Lightning Link would be cheaper, and less painful.

8 months to two years first offense. Ask Russian and the douchebag. Most Ive ever known anyone to get was 6 years. That was a high profile prior felon with multiple NFA violations including SBR's, machineguns and explosives. The 10K fine/10 year thing was a mandatory sentencing guideline that was ruled unconstitutional a long time ago.

Still crappy time but I don't believe in scare tactics. People should make educated decisions on whether they want to take the calculated risk of breaking unconstitutional laws based on facts.

Artos · Post by **Artos** » Sat May 01, 2010 10:27 am

Is the DIAS a wearable part that can be fixed??

I've alwys been told the safest (combined w/ cheapest) route is to get the converted receiver as it's much less likely to have catastrophic failure & there are companies that specialize in their repair??

This way you can replace the auto trigger assembly with readily available parts.

YugoRPK · Post by **YugoRPK** » Sat May 01, 2010 10:32 am

Artos wrote:Is the DIAS a wearable part that can be fixed??

I've alwys been told the safest (combined w/ cheapest) route is to get the converted receiver as it's much less likely to have catastrophic failure & there are companies that specialize in their repair??

This way you can replace the auto trigger assembly with readily available parts.

DIAS's break too. Most are aluminum with a steel trip. In any case I don't know where the fear of welding aluminum comes from.

GlockBuyer · Post by **GlockBuyer** » Sat May 01, 2010 9:23 pm

Join the Marines........... they will actually pay you to use a full auto M4.

ArevaloSOCOM · Post by **ArevaloSOCOM** » Sun May 02, 2010 12:26 am

To be fair the average illegal MG sentence is 12-18 months for non violent 1st time offenders....

ducati · Post by **ducati** » Sun May 02, 2010 6:13 pm

Sorry. Not interested in "home-made" MGs.

The best legal path is what interests me. Looks like I have more homework to do...

Artos · Post by **Artos** » Sun May 02, 2010 6:20 pm

YugoRPK wrote:
Artos wrote:Is the DIAS a wearable part that can be fixed??

I've alwys been told the safest (combined w/ cheapest) route is to get the converted receiver as it's much less likely to have catastrophic failure & there are companies that specialize in their repair??

This way you can replace the auto trigger assembly with readily available parts.

DIAS's break too. Most are aluminum with a steel trip. In any case I don't know where the fear of welding aluminum comes from.

but which break more often and are dias fixable after significant wear...seems to me a sear would wear much faster than a receiver. Do they ever wear out & have to be retired??

YugoRPK · Post by **YugoRPK** » Sun May 02, 2010 6:29 pm

Artos wrote:
YugoRPK wrote:
Artos wrote:Is the DIAS a wearable part that can be fixed??

I've alwys been told the safest (combined w/ cheapest) route is to get the converted receiver as it's much less likely to have catastrophic failure & there are companies that specialize in their repair??

This way you can replace the auto trigger assembly with readily available parts.

DIAS's break too. Most are aluminum with a steel trip. In any case I don't know where the fear of welding aluminum comes from.
but which break more often and are dias fixable after significant wear...seems to me a sear would wear much faster than a receiver. Do they ever wear out & have to be retired??

Anything is fixable. DIAS's break on the aluminum part that mates to the receivers. Theyre fixable. Receivers break. Not often but it can happen. Theyre fixable.

Johnthedford · Post by **Johnthedford** » Mon May 03, 2010 11:46 am

You can buy a converted one in the mid 9k range. Factory original guns cost more...around 13k up.

I have several factory Colt M16's inbound.
Come check out my website.

Diomed · Post by **Diomed** » Wed May 05, 2010 3:11 am

Cobra700 wrote:DIAS- About $8K-$10K

Complete M16- $13K+

You got those reversed...

ArevaloSOCOM wrote:To be fair the average illegal MG sentence is 12-18 months for non violent 1st time offenders....

ATF did a study of outcomes for illegal mg convictions. For a first offense, probation is the norm. A prior felony gets you about six months, two or more and it starts to get heavy.

There are some outliers.

keatsabn · Post by **keatsabn** » Wed May 05, 2010 2:34 pm

I know where you can get one that will not cost you a dime up front and they will supply all the ammunition you can shoot. They also have some of the best ranges in the US. If you are interested please see your nearest Army recruiter and ask to be an 11X-Ray with the Airborne option.

Blaubart · Post by **Blaubart** » Wed May 05, 2010 2:40 pm

Is 11x a new thing? I never knew that you couldn't pick a specific infantry MOS upon enlistment. I suppose just about any 11 series MOS would be fun, but I'm not sure if I really want to hump a mortar tube and rounds.

But I guess nowdays there's only 11B and 11C anyway. No more 11M or 11H.

keatsabn · Post by **keatsabn** » Wed May 05, 2010 3:44 pm

Blaubart wrote:Is 11x a new thing? I never knew that you couldn't pick a specific infantry MOS upon enlistment. I suppose just about any 11 series MOS would be fun, but I'm not sure if I really want to hump a mortar tube and rounds. But I guess nowdays there's only 11B and 11C anyway. No more 11M or 11H.

You are correct there is only 11B and 11C, but a basic trainee when they enlist for needs of the Army Infantry are 11-X-Ray they are unassigned grunts HQDA will tell TRADOC that we need more "Charlies" and magically all the 11X will be trained as 11-Charlie. If a soldier has a RIP contract they also are 11-X untill basic training same for soldiers going to Airborne school.

Blaubart · Post by **Blaubart** » Wed May 05, 2010 3:48 pm

I'm glad they didn't do that to me when I enlisted as a 13F. I would have hated to have been anything else in the artillery...

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