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Yes, it can be legal to make a silencer. For everything Form-1, from silencer designs that are easily made, to filing forms with the BATF, to 3D modeling. Remember, you must have an approved BATF Form-1 to make a silencer. All NFA laws apply.

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Anyone who has been around this forum has to know Historian and his relentless search for information and showcasing remarkable skill and unique machine tools.If you ever aspire to make the cut you must have the tools.
Please add your favorite tool resource or machine skill knowledge :arrow:

Starrett:
http://content.yudu.com/A290vg/Starrett ... ferrerUrl=
Starrett hand tools:
http://content.yudu.com/A29ws1/Starrett ... ferrerUrl=
MSC:
http://www.mscdirect.com/?cid=ppc-googl ... 025=c&026=
Mitutoyo:
http://www.mitutoyo.com/
Brownells:
http://www.brownells.com/
Bendersquint's Baffle pictures
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=60118
Gunny's picture thread.
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=135514
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Don't forget the tools that are indispensable.

Little Machine Shop
http://littlemachineshop.com/
Shars
http://www.shars.com/
KBC tools
http://kbctools.com/usa/main.cfm
Phaze2+ (Need a rotary table these are great)
http://www.phase2plus.com/default.asp
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A good source for metal:Onlinemetals
http://www.onlinemetals.com/
Titanium Joe
http://www.titaniumjoe.com/
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I also source from wholesale tool and McMaster-carr
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I like Enco. I believe they're a sister company of MSC. I've had good luck with the Hertel brand end mills they sell:
http://use-enco.com
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Aircraft Spruce - All kinds of hard to find materials. Example - really good quality stainless tubing for AR gas tubes.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com

Toolmex - Machine tools and tooling, assorted big boy toys
https://www.toolmex.com

MSC and ENCO have way too much of my money.
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I like this thread, I just don't have anything to contribute other than a bump.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDtd2jNIwAU MUSAFAR!
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Its the little details in fit an finish that makes or breaks a build.
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Most tubing is neither straight or round so I build from seamless pipe.
The pipe is first turned between centers then set up to be line bored.
If the can is to have removable baffles its best to make a relief cut larger than the tubes id for the threading.The combination of a straight round tube w/ the threading relief is a joy to assemble and disassemble as the baffles will not drag over the threads or bind in a oval tube.If you fit your end caps to the threads the buildup of carbon will be nil on them and are O so smooth in feel.
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Just ran across this interesting tool - vise stop. Not 'vice stop' -
that we need more of. :)

Well done presentation by Tom at Oxtools.

Like my hero John Browning, I usually 'machine' ( ... = amateurishly hack )
a design first in hard wood to walk through the steps and find set up errors.
Modifying this design will allow me to add and more flexibility
to my Freeland, 1960's, scope stand. Yes I can use a Linhof ball head
but the 'juice' is in the making of a part so that I can justify avoiding the
wrapping up and finally finishing writing up paper.



<< http://madmodder.net/index.php/topic,9117.0.html >>
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http://www.harborfreight.com/

I know, I know. It's chinese junk, and not a fantastic place to tool up for the machines we like to use most often.

BUT, for general shop stuff, like welding magnets, clamps, hose clamps, pneumatic connections, etc, etc. I just can't see why not.

I bought a 1" belt sander for $30, and I can't count the number of mower blades, axes, machetes, and kitchen knives I've sharpened on that thing. If it broke the next time I turn it on, I would have won on that deal.
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The 'Feared Face Plate':

For those with small lathes you may find the following
site most intriguing.

<< http://www.homews.co.uk/page544.html >>

It adds unlimited flexibility for machining what at
first glance you cannot do on a small lathe.

For turning a semi-circle etc, especially.
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Here's a link to build your own accessories to expand your capabilities.
The man that runs this place is the real gem.

MLA
Box 88
Pine Grove Mills, PA 16868
(814)234-3543
I welcome phone calls and emails - [email protected]

http://statecollegecentral.com/metallathe/index.html
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[quote="Capt. Link."]If the can is to have removable baffles its best to make a relief cut larger than the tubes id for the threading.The combination of a straight round tube w/ the threading relief is a joy to assemble and disassemble as the baffles will not drag over the threads or bind in a oval tube.If you fit your end caps to the threads the buildup of carbon will be nil on them and are O so smooth in feel.[quote]
Great info for Hobby Enthusiasts of all skill levels.
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Gunny, many thanks for the PHP site and the rest. Just when I was going to spend the
next few hours writing things up you came to my rescue with the sites. I just have
to sit back and relish the new info. In particular I got an insight how to build a better
holder for my oversize back cut off tool than I have at present.

Safety points that came up in the valve welding presentation that should be known:

1. The brave machinist was holding the valve by hand as he polished it. Long Living Chicken (LLC)
as I hold the stem in an ER-25 collet with a straight 1" spindle.

<< http://www.mscdirect.com/product/420557 ... =-99&025=c >>.

You can get this same 1" diameter ( actually metric so it has a slightly smaller diameter ~ 31/32) collet chuck shank for $43.00
by ordering from Asia plus a few dollars shipping ... and a long time delivery. But worth it.
As an old 1970's SF manual taught ... use your adversaries' tools and weapons. :)


I also got a Metric 5C collet to hold shaft in my 4 and 6 sided 5C holder ( 5C COLLET BLOCK SET- SQUARE, HEX,
RINGS & COLLET CLOSER HOLDER).

I know that this is 'overkill' for an Atlas 618 lathe but it is in consonance
with my philosophy of "excess and back ups are a virtue" .
Oops. The flat bed with ammo is backing up to the back door. :)

The 5C blocks are nice easy way for making larger bolt heads
for many uses without the need for an indexer ( which I also had to have ...Tool Junky Alert!)

2. The welder protected his face & eyes .... but not his hands. By this I mean against the UV that arc welding creates.
Cases reported in Aerospace study 25 years ago of the increase in hand skin cancer due to intense UV. Please
consider using special gloves. Old cautious chickens do not get plucked or -ucked. :)

Again, wonderful info.

Best.
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Cutting internal gears without a shaper or clapper this is from Gunnys find.
http://youtu.be/QHhvqnHdcPg

My all time favorite youtube pro Mr. Pete this is how I was taught to use a four jaw.You should watch all of his videos.
http://youtu.be/npJfKhkS0QE

Guy Latard books will make you a better machinist.His bedside reader series is legend. http://lautard.com/
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Bless the talented folks beneath the Southern Cross:

<< http://homepage.ntlworld.com/j.b.d.will ... awings.pdf >>
and << http://homepage.ntlworld.com/j.b.d.will ... ctures.pdf >>

A most useful tool for the die hard tool junkie to build and have.

Shinny metal. Mmm. Mmm. Must have. Will trade Dutch white eyes Manhattan Island ... which
we do not really own ... for it. Screw the beads. :)

Goal for next year when skills have been further improved and escape time available.
Especially finally trying to set up and using a boring bar. May never complete but the
experience and techniques gained will be useful and transferrable. Not as
good as being apprenticed to Mr. B, the Good Captain, or Enfield, though.
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http://www.arwarnerco.com/

You need to check this guy out.He makes insert HSS tooling.The bonus is a small lathe will benefit from HSS over carbide.You can regrind these as well so you get a very good value.
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Capt. Link. wrote:http://www.arwarnerco.com/

You need to check this guy out.He makes insert HSS tooling.The bonus is a small lathe will benefit from HSS over carbide.You can regrind these as well so you get a very good value.

Super. I never knew that they made HSS inserts. Many thanks for
pointer.
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I had a request to post the source for the superb Nikcole mini-thin swiss-style external slotting, grooving, and threading tools. Shop around, they go on sale once in a while.

To reiterate, the nikcole (remember it's KC in there, not CK) external 60 degree threading tool is the best external threader I've ever used. And the slotting inserts rock. You need both - use the slotters for thread relief.

http://www.niko-nikcole.com/mini_system.htm

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<< http://www.hobby-machinist.com/showthre ... ndle-Crank >>

Two key points of this posts:

Another way to make a spindle crank.

45º slicking of stock allows for only one way to reassemble.
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Historian wrote:<< http://www.hobby-machinist.com/showthre ... ndle-Crank >>

Two key points of this posts:

Another way to make a spindle crank.

45º slicking of stock allows for only one way to reassemble.
Its just like a bicycle stem.The best engineering solutions are always so simple and make to go

Image

I tip my hat to your Google fu it is powerful.
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Folks who have discussed purchasing small lathes should
find these articles to be useful: Aligning the lathe.
Much to one's surprise unless one purchases a
precision Swiss or German lathe variations will be found.

" The minilathe isn't like most American lathes where the headstock is accurately aligned
to the ways at the factory so bed twist and wear account for most spindle/bed alignment errors.
Minilathes generally have beds that are new and straight but headstocks that aren't aligned to the ways.
"

<< http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/thread ... post770807 >>

<< http://www.neme-s.org/Rollie%27s_Dad%27s_Method.pdf >>

If making just parts such as baffles, threading tubing, etc., you might not
need this precision but if you venture into trying to make clocks, telescope trackers, even
arms parts, etc., it might be worthy to consider.

p.s., I have salvaged the ultra-straight SS rods from old scanners and printers as
my 'standard'.
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<< http://www.homews.co.uk/page546.html >>

Harold Hall has an interesting article on cross drilling
which has many other applications.
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<< http://www.hobby-machinist.com/showthre ... Made-Tools >>

The PDF "Shop-Made-Tools" is pure Metal Porn!

Any excuse "to take breaks on climbing the self imposed Nordwand Eiger."

Might even try some tools this coming Summer.
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