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New to the forums and will like to know the process involved in purchasing a form 4 rifle

Post by jusblaze » Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:54 am

Hi all, i am new here and also to the full auto world, i have thinking of purchase my first full auto rifle and i would appreciate step to step guidance how to go about buying a full auto rifle. there's some much information on the internet, it could be confusing sometimes. Please i will appreciate every input.

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Re: New to the forums and will like to know the process involved in purchasing a form 4 rifle

Post by fishman » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:50 pm

There's essentially three ways to buy.

1 buy from a private seller in state
2 buy from a private seller out of state
3 buy from an FFL

Option 1 requires only 1 tax stamp, it also requires only 1 waiting peroid. The downside is that you have to put a lot of trust in the seller to hold up their side of the bargain. Get a signed recipiet for sure.

Option 2 is the worst way, but probably most guns for sale are this way. It requires two tax stamps and 3 waiting peroids. The seller must file a form 4 to transfer the gun to a dealer. The dealer then files a form 3 to transfer to another dealer in your state (this wait is generally really short). Then your dealer files a form 4 to transfer the gun to you. Still have to put trust in the seller to get the gun to the dealer.

Option 3 is easiest. It requires 2 waits with 1 tax stamp. First the dealer/seller must file a form 3 to transfer the gun to a local dealer (short wait). Then your dealer files a form 4 to transfer to you.
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Re: New to the forums and will like to know the process involved in purchasing a form 4 rifle

Post by telero » Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:34 pm

fishman wrote: 2 buy from a private seller out of state

Option 2 is the worst way, but probably most guns for sale are this way. It requires two tax stamps and 3 waiting peroids. The seller must file a form 4 to transfer the gun to a dealer. The dealer then files a form 3 to transfer to another dealer in your state (this wait is generally really short). Then your dealer files a form 4 to transfer the gun to you. Still have to put trust in the seller to get the gun to the dealer.
I believe the out of state seller can form 4 directly to an FFL/SOT in your state, as long as the receiving FFL/SOT is OK with it. Would eliminate one tax free transfer and wait time (form 3).

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Re: New to the forums and will like to know the process involved in purchasing a form 4 rifle

Post by fishman » Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:17 pm

telero wrote:
fishman wrote: 2 buy from a private seller out of state

Option 2 is the worst way, but probably most guns for sale are this way. It requires two tax stamps and 3 waiting peroids. The seller must file a form 4 to transfer the gun to a dealer. The dealer then files a form 3 to transfer to another dealer in your state (this wait is generally really short). Then your dealer files a form 4 to transfer the gun to you. Still have to put trust in the seller to get the gun to the dealer.
I believe the out of state seller can form 4 directly to an FFL/SOT in your state, as long as the receiving FFL/SOT is OK with it. Would eliminate one tax free transfer and wait time (form 3).
Correct. That's also allowed.

It can be easier to have the seller transfer the gun to a dealer local to him though. It only adds a few days or weeks to the wait. I was more comfortable having my machinegun transferred from seller > dealer > dealer > me
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Re: New to the forums and will like to know the process involved in purchasing a form 4 rifle

Post by John A. » Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:33 pm

These guys have pointed you in the right direction.

And yes, there is way too much disinformation regarding title 2 weapons on the net. It's better than it used to be, but not by much.

What kind of MG are you looking at?
I don't care what your chart says

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Re: New to the forums and will like to know the process involved in purchasing a form 4 rifle

Post by doubloon » Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:37 am

What they said.
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Re: New to the forums and will like to know the process involved in purchasing a form 4 rifle

Post by crazyelece » Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:05 am

You are going to need an instate dealer anyway, my advise is to track down a good local dealer and it will make your life much easier.

A good dealer will help walk you through most of the details, especially when dealing with a MG.

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