Re: Silencerco shotgun suppressor
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:36 pm
We'll I'm convinced these are going to be the cats meow and I've committed to a batch currently to be in hand in October. Can't wait, one will be a demo.
Sound Suppressor Discussion
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Being "modular" in design does not necessarily mean that they are user-modifiable. From the video, it looks like the design makes it cost less to manufacture different lengths using the same parts. The length of the rods would be specific to the number of baffles being used, right? If so, the user would need a different set of rods for each length for it to be modifiable.Bendersquint wrote:Yes, they are considered extra suppressor parts, and therefore illegal.Toxarch wrote: And aren't modular parts considered extra suppressor parts? If so, wouldn't that be illegal according to the ATF?
I assume Silencerco figured a legal way to do it, I have a request into FTB to find out how they did it as we have been denied on multiple times for a similar design just in a centerfire rifle can.
How do you know?one-eyed Jack wrote:A suppressed shotgun is just a toy. To be cheap to make and very effective, integral is the way to go. Ask me how I know. Jack.
Yes, to reduce the length you need the rod kit for the size you want. Original can is 12". Specific rod kits are purchased in size. 6, 8 or 10". They run $50 per.Armorer-at-Law wrote:Being "modular" in design does not necessarily mean that they are user-modifiable. From the video, it looks like the design makes it cost less to manufacture different lengths using the same parts. The length of the rods would be specific to the number of baffles being used, right? If so, the user would need a different set of rods for each length for it to be modifiable.Bendersquint wrote:Yes, they are considered extra suppressor parts, and therefore illegal.Toxarch wrote: And aren't modular parts considered extra suppressor parts? If so, wouldn't that be illegal according to the ATF?
I assume Silencerco figured a legal way to do it, I have a request into FTB to find out how they did it as we have been denied on multiple times for a similar design just in a centerfire rifle can.
Well that answers the physical question, but seems to further open the can of worms that is the legal question; are these shorter rods not then 'silencer parts' according to the ATF rules? Would that not preclude their purchase without extra tax stamps for each rod or set of rods, or even eliminate the possibility of purchase for mere civilians altogether?AirCavBob wrote:Yes, to reduce the length you need the rod kit for the size you want. Original can is 12". Specific rod kits are purchased in size. 6, 8 or 10". They run $50 per.
Interesting. I understand it's ok since the caliber doesn't change, but the overall length is listed on form 4. I'm sure "multi" won't pass, just like for the caliber. Can you put 6" on the F4 and adding length to that is considered legal? Or vice versa by writing down 12" and subtracting length is legal?a_canadian wrote:Well that answers the physical question, but seems to further open the can of worms that is the legal question; are these shorter rods not then 'silencer parts' according to the ATF rules? Would that not preclude their purchase without extra tax stamps for each rod or set of rods, or even eliminate the possibility of purchase for mere civilians altogether?AirCavBob wrote:Yes, to reduce the length you need the rod kit for the size you want. Original can is 12". Specific rod kits are purchased in size. 6, 8 or 10". They run $50 per.
ATF only allows shortening of the silencer to accommodate rethreading.rimshaker wrote:Interesting. I understand it's ok since the caliber doesn't change, but the overall length is listed on form 4. I'm sure "multi" won't pass, just like for the caliber. Can you put 6" on the F4 and adding length to that is considered legal? Or vice versa by writing down 12" and subtracting length is legal?a_canadian wrote:Well that answers the physical question, but seems to further open the can of worms that is the legal question; are these shorter rods not then 'silencer parts' according to the ATF rules? Would that not preclude their purchase without extra tax stamps for each rod or set of rods, or even eliminate the possibility of purchase for mere civilians altogether?AirCavBob wrote:Yes, to reduce the length you need the rod kit for the size you want. Original can is 12". Specific rod kits are purchased in size. 6, 8 or 10". They run $50 per.
More specifically, aren't these "silencer parts" under the statute? I wish the answer was "no," but a logical reading of the law would suggest "yes." ATF does allow pistons to be swapped, considering them to be more of a mounting adapter. I think that one is a gray area that ATF could change its position on at any time, since ported pistons actually contribute to the sound suppressing effect. Maybe the rods will be something ATF chooses to ignore for now. I don't know.Well that answers the physical question, but seems to further open the can of worms that is the legal question; are these shorter rods not then 'silencer parts' according to the ATF rules? Would that not preclude their purchase without extra tax stamps for each rod or set of rods, or even eliminate the possibility of purchase for mere civilians altogether?
ATF won't be going after pistons anytime soon and its certainly not grey area.Armorer-at-Law wrote:More specifically, aren't these "silencer parts" under the statute? I wish the answer was "no," but a logical reading of the law would suggest "yes." ATF does allow pistons to be swapped, considering them to be more of a mounting adapter. I think that one is a gray area that ATF could change its position on at any time, since ported pistons actually contribute to the sound suppressing effect. Maybe the rods will be something ATF chooses to ignore for now. I don't know.Well that answers the physical question, but seems to further open the can of worms that is the legal question; are these shorter rods not then 'silencer parts' according to the ATF rules? Would that not preclude their purchase without extra tax stamps for each rod or set of rods, or even eliminate the possibility of purchase for mere civilians altogether?
But what if the rods are an everyday off the shelf item that just happen to work with the Salvo? How can they regulate the rods if they have other, non-silencer related, purposes?Bendersquint wrote:ATF won't be going after pistons anytime soon and its certainly not grey area.Armorer-at-Law wrote:More specifically, aren't these "silencer parts" under the statute? I wish the answer was "no," but a logical reading of the law would suggest "yes." ATF does allow pistons to be swapped, considering them to be more of a mounting adapter. I think that one is a gray area that ATF could change its position on at any time, since ported pistons actually contribute to the sound suppressing effect. Maybe the rods will be something ATF chooses to ignore for now. I don't know.Well that answers the physical question, but seems to further open the can of worms that is the legal question; are these shorter rods not then 'silencer parts' according to the ATF rules? Would that not preclude their purchase without extra tax stamps for each rod or set of rods, or even eliminate the possibility of purchase for mere civilians altogether?
Makes no difference if they help or hinder sound reduction, clearly meets the guidance and requirements given to licensed manufacturers that was set by the FTB/NFA.
Extra sets of rods to change the OAL of a silencer.........thats another story.
They can regulate it because those everyday rods are now intended for use in a silencer, so if you have a Salvo and you buy those rods that will work in the silencer then that would make them extra silencer parts.cpatterson86 wrote:But what if the rods are an everyday off the shelf item that just happen to work with the Salvo? How can they regulate the rods if they have other, non-silencer related, purposes?
Which is the biggest part of why the 'solvent trap' Mag-lite kit is so hilarious. So much of the promotional material revolves around the rationale that until you drill a hole, it's not a silencer. What a load of BS. Right from the start the threaded endcap is pretty much the same thing as those serialised threaded caps they sell for use in turning oil filters into suppressors.Bendersquint wrote:There is also no such animal as "just happens to work" in this industry, if they "just happen to work" then it was part of the design.
I'm anxious to hear what the answer isBendersquint wrote:Yes, they are considered extra suppressor parts, and therefore illegal.Toxarch wrote: And aren't modular parts considered extra suppressor parts? If so, wouldn't that be illegal according to the ATF?
I assume Silencerco figured a legal way to do it, I have a request into FTB to find out how they did it as we have been denied on multiple times for a similar design just in a centerfire rifle can.
I see plenty of arfcom members buying it so they can keep up with firearm fashion accessories. I doubt it will ever become Silencerco's big seller but I am sure they will move quite a few to the "building skills through accessorization" crowd. Now if they pay the money to get this featured in a video game, they'll get a bunch of the gamers turned gun people (read: arfcommers that joined in the last six years) to buy it as well.DarkStar wrote: I really just don't see an active market for these... Sure, I know plenty of people who might be interested in owning one because of the "cool" factor... but after the novelty wears off, my guess is the suppressor will be packed alongside the old Remington or Mossberg pump under a bed somewhere, labeled as a self-defense tool, collecting dust and never seeing the light of day. But then, I know I'm wrong. Because people who stash a Remington or Mossberg pump under the bed probably purchased that firearm on the basis of its affordability, et al. Spending $1200+ on an accessory for a $400 gun that rarely gets used probably won't happen.
Capt. Link. wrote:I'm a bit mystified why they even mention that their company developed the rail system to contain the shot wad.Its a old patent re-purposed for use in a shotgun suppressor and they did not think that use first!
#2,780,962 Blast suppressor 1957 re-purposed in 2009 for a 12 gauge suppressor.Armorer-at-Law wrote:Capt. Link. wrote:I'm a bit mystified why they even mention that their company developed the rail system to contain the shot wad.Its a old patent re-purposed for use in a shotgun suppressor and they did not think that use first!
I don't doubt you, but I'm curious as to where that configuration was used before. Got a link?