speculation on making a suppressor after Hearing Protection Act passes?

[jnjproto]

If silencers will be able to be purchased like a long gun if/when the Hearing Protection Act passes where does that leave those of us who want to build one? I did search and the closest thing I found was kind of the same question from Ranb in October of last year and historian making a comment about experimenting with new designs in the snorkel thread.

[a_canadian]

I'm not certain of the meaning of your question. Wouldn't such a change in the law mean anyone could just experiment with suppressors without concern for being challenged by the authorities, the only restriction being that you could not market them? Sort of like how you are now allowed to make firearms, provided you don't sell them, if I understand that US law.

[jnjproto]

To clarify, I wonder if it would mean that we can experiment, for personal use, without having to submit paperwork every time we want to try a new design, or even make changes to ones we have made. I'm guessing that manufactures would become even more swamped with work. After having shot mine some of my friends are going to purchase their own, but others are put of by the tax and wait times.

[T-Rex]

That is exactly what will happen, if passed.

but others are put of by the tax and wait times.

Apparently, they've never ordered a custom barrel or stock or bullet mold or etc, etc...

[doubloon]

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Apparently, they've never ordered a custom barrel or stock or bullet mold or etc, etc...

I would agree with that.

I haven't read the bill so:

IF suppressors are removed from the NFA ...

Will they still be firearms or will they be accessories like a a flash hider?

Therein lies the answer to your question.

If the are not a firearm then it's just a hunk of metal/plastic/etc. that can ruin your day if you don't know what you're doing.

If it's still a firearm then it's just like making your own pistol or rifle.

[propeine]

...
Apparently, they've never ordered a custom barrel or stock or bullet mold or etc, etc...

I would agree with that.

I haven't read the bill so:

IF suppressors are removed from the NFA ...

Will they still be firearms or will they be accessories like a a flash hider?

Therein lies the answer to your question.

If the are not a firearm then it's just a hunk of metal/plastic/etc. that can ruin your day if you don't know what you're doing.

If it's still a firearm then it's just like making your own pistol or rifle.

The bill, last time I checked, treated suppressors as long guns. NICS required. Based on their classification as long guns, in Pennsylvania at least, you could theoretically sell a commercial can privately without a NICS check. Ideally they would be treated as fancy flash hiders but I'll take what I can get if it passes. If they are classified as long guns then yes you could experiment at will as long as there is no intent to sell.

Within the past year, in my corner of the state, I know of at least 4 new FFL's that deal in NFA items but I only ever see suppressors at 3 of them. Support is growing quickly around here.

[doubloon]

Interesting.

IIRC long guns can also be sold across state lines, out of state sales, by FFL unlike handguns.

Meaning a non-resident can buy a long gun while in another state.

[PBinWA]

Interesting.

IIRC long guns can also be sold across state lines, out of state sales, by FFL unlike handguns.

Meaning a non-resident can buy a long gun while in another state.

Since I live right across the line from Portland, Oregon and all the dealers on my side of the state line seem to be going out of business faster than an ATF form can get processed - this would be so f,ing awesome.

Probably too good to be true. I'm sure some politician will screw it up in the final version.

[Historian]

Interesting.

IIRC long guns can also be sold across state lines, out of state sales, by FFL unlike handguns.

Meaning a non-resident can buy a long gun while in another state.

Since I live right across the line from Portland, Oregon and all the dealers on my side of the state line seem to be going out of business faster than an ATF form can get processed - this would be so f,ing awesome.

Probably too good to be true. I'm sure some politician will screw it up in the final version.

Let's hope that the bill will rapidly Cruz to victory.

[T-Rex]

The bill, last time I checked, treated suppressors as long guns.

I'm completely ok with this.
I know they would have loved to write the bill so suppressors were simply accessories or a barrel extension.
But, they knew they needed to give a little to have realistic expectations.

[John A.]

And you expect obama would sign it into law?

Sorry, I'm not holding my breath.

[Historian]

And you expect obama would sign it into law?

Sorry, I'm not holding my breath.

If the marsh mellow Republicans get any spine
they will emulate the DemoNrats and slip the small
bill into a large bundle.

"Let's Vote On It So We Can Read What's In It"

[whiterussian1974]

...they will emulate the DemoNrats and slip the small bill into a large bundle.

"Let's Vote On It So We Can Read What's In It"

Call it the Freedom from Debt and Free College for All Bill. Can't miss.

[whiterussian1974]

The bill, last time I checked, treated suppressors as long guns.

I'm completely ok with this.
I know they would have loved to write the bill so suppressors were simply accessories or a barrel extension.
But, they knew they needed to give a little to have realistic expectations.

We had CCW in TX for 20+yrs to prove that citizens could handle their Freedoms responsibly b/f they could Open Carry.
And even still many "gun people" say that Open shouldn't be legal. That it gives the "bad guys" an advantage. Yet, I wouldn't want to be forced to conceal while On Duty. Adequate retention holster and training result in quicker access and greater control than arbitrary concealment.

[a_canadian]

...they will emulate the DemoNrats and slip the small bill into a large bundle.

"Let's Vote On It So We Can Read What's In It"

Call it the Freedom from Debt and Free College for All Bill. Can't miss.

Yeah. Demons, you nailed it. And free education, what the hell are they even thinking? Because f*** kids, right? I mean we f***ing had to work our asses off to pay off college debt, so why shouldn't our kids have to do exactly the same thing, only with tuition gone right off the charts because hey, profit, right f***ers? The 'Merikan Way buddy, like it or shove off you f***in' commie bastard weirdos. Probably homos too. And drug addicts. AND GET THE HELL OFF MY LAWN!

[whiterussian1974]

Yeah. Demons, you nailed it. And free education, what the hell are they even thinking? Because F--k kids, right?

You should begin this Thread in Legal and Political subForum. That's the proper venue. We're glad to continue that debate there.

My point for the Naming convention was that most Ami bills are intended to do the opposite of how they're named.
Ie: Firearm Owner Protection Act made ownership of certain classes of firearms illegal.
Affordable Care Act drove up the cost of Healthcare and prevents citizens from getting medical care.
Defense of Marriage Act prevents gays from getting married.

But hey, they make people feel better and that's all that really matters. Regardless of how many people are harmed.

[bakerjw]

Kind of a whirl wind in this thread eh...
Got a complaint. Play nice. Watch the language. yadda yadda yadda.
I'd love to see it pass; however, getting it past the desk of the child king is a long shot.

I did clean up the language a tad. Don't like, it, tell the management.

FWIW... I worked full time and went to school full time with a visually impaired wife and 2 kids. The American work ethic is in the crapper and from the support I see for "Free SH!T for all Bernie Sanders, isn't going away soon. Time for American kids to get off the couch and work for something. Both of my kids did and are stronger for the effort.
<Rant off>
Darn, I'm in a pissy mood these days.

[jnjproto]

I did finally find where it says "treated as a long gun". I am still looking forward to the possibilities for experimentation if it passes. My first reaction was the fee refund may be a sticking point. We know uncle doesn't like to return our money. I think the opportunity for design advancement is great because it will not cost $200 to try different designs.

[whiterussian1974]

My first reaction was the fee refund may be a sticking point. We know uncle doesn't like to return our money. I think the opportunity for design advancement is great because it will not cost $200 to try different designs.

I don't know how much the SOT costs. If Sam wanted to generate funds, even a $200/yr "Hobbyist License" plus $5/item would be better than the $200+/attempt that we are charged now.
I can see Industry lobbying for a $5 Fed Transfer fee for commercially made. And retain the $200 for F1s. That's the way other Industries have lobbied. In TX CCW trainers actually argue to require MORE annual training so that they can get paid for the added course time.
It would be nice to have a DL-based CHL. Written test and practical. Then renew w scored target every 6yrs.

[doubloon]

...
Darn, I'm in a pissy mood these days.

Same boat.

It seems the only people who aren't are the ones trying to get ahead instead of a handout.

[T-Rex]

My first reaction was the fee refund may be a sticking point. We know uncle doesn't like to return our money. I think the opportunity for design advancement is great because it will not cost $200 to try different designs.

I don't know how much the SOT costs. If Sam wanted to generate funds, even a $200/yr "Hobbyist License" plus $5/item would be better than the $200+/attempt that we are charged now.
I can see Industry lobbying for a $5 Fed Transfer fee for commercially made. And retain the $200 for F1s. That's the way other Industries have lobbied. In TX CCW trainers actually argue to require MORE annual training so that they can get paid for the added course time.
It would be nice to have a DL-based CHL. Written test and practical. Then renew w scored target every 6yrs.

Why should we have to pay any money at all?
It's just a suppressor. Without a firearm its a paperweight.
I can turn out as many receivers as my home shop will allow, without paying a dime or getting "training".
Why should I be forced to do so for something that shouldn't be considered a firearm in the first place?

[Historian]

"Why should we have to pay any money at all?
It's just a suppressor. Without a firearm its a paperweight.
I can turn out as many receivers as my home shop will allow, without paying a dime or getting "training".
Why should I be forced to do so for something that shouldn't be considered a firearm in the first place?" - T-Rex

+2!

Totemism is still alive.

Mallard Fillmore cartoon maybe? :
Anti-2nd Ammendment pol Onanistically dreaming
with listing what should be on a new
NFA list --" Hand gun grips are machine gun parts, changing requires
new stamp. Each bullet is a gun and requires a background check. "

[propeine]

My first reaction was the fee refund may be a sticking point. We know uncle doesn't like to return our money. I think the opportunity for design advancement is great because it will not cost $200 to try different designs.

I don't know how much the SOT costs. If Sam wanted to generate funds, even a $200/yr "Hobbyist License" plus $5/item would be better than the $200+/attempt that we are charged now.
I can see Industry lobbying for a $5 Fed Transfer fee for commercially made. And retain the $200 for F1s. That's the way other Industries have lobbied. In TX CCW trainers actually argue to require MORE annual training so that they can get paid for the added course time.
It would be nice to have a DL-based CHL. Written test and practical. Then renew w scored target every 6yrs.

SOT is surprisingly cheap. Its the $1500 ITAR yearly fee that gets you as a small manufacturer and in my case the "must comply with all local zoning" issue.

[T-Rex]

Each bullet is a gun and requires a background check.[/color] "

A couple years back, CT tried to implement micro-stamping of serial numbers on all bullets and firing pins, manufactured and sold in the state.

[Capt. Link.]

I would be delighted to see suppressors be DE-regulated and put in the classification of a hearing protective device without any strings attached.I've worked as a sot and have had the ability to create as I wish but found that any real development came at a price.The real hurtle is having proper equipment for sound measurement.You are working blind without this equipment and its no longer made.Yes you will be able to build workable suppressors without this equipment but I fear that little in advancement will happen outside of the larger company's that have time+money for serious R&D .Now if someone took up the torch and built analog meters for this new market that would be great as if the prices were right many would be sold.
-CL