Its *official*...send in everything now for Trust Transfers.
Its *official*...send in everything now for Trust Transfers.
Granted, this is a sample of *1*, but if its correct, and the brass has met and had dialogue about the issue, send in everything..
http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f ... 691&page=1
http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f ... 691&page=1
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Talked to my examiner today and she said that the last meeting they had they were told it's now required for declaration of trust to be sent in so they can verify the legitimacy.
I don't think that's too much to ask for the ATF, honestly.......I'd hardly call it "everything".
I send a copy of my Trust anyway so it's a non-issue for me.
Thanks for the heads up though.
I don't think that's too much to ask for the ATF, honestly.......I'd hardly call it "everything".
I send a copy of my Trust anyway so it's a non-issue for me.
Thanks for the heads up though.
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I will send a notarized copy of the declaration...the original has already been notarized, a copy with a separate "certificate" should work, sort of like a certified copy...
I just hope no dumbasses out there messed around and half ass did their trusts, that might screw it up for all of us...
I just hope no dumbasses out there messed around and half ass did their trusts, that might screw it up for all of us...
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*everything* as in everything to establish legality in your state...ArevaloSOCOM wrote:Talked to my examiner today and she said that the last meeting they had they were told it's now required for declaration of trust to be sent in so they can verify the legitimacy.
I don't think that's too much to ask for the ATF, honestly.......I'd hardly call it "everything".
I send a copy of my Trust anyway so it's a non-issue for me.
Thanks for the heads up though.
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I agree with you.chromeluv wrote:*everything* as in everything to establish legality in your state...ArevaloSOCOM wrote:Talked to my examiner today and she said that the last meeting they had they were told it's now required for declaration of trust to be sent in so they can verify the legitimacy.
I don't think that's too much to ask for the ATF, honestly.......I'd hardly call it "everything".
I send a copy of my Trust anyway so it's a non-issue for me.
Thanks for the heads up though.
It's just after reading what the guy said on ar15.com and the title of this thread I expected "everyting" to be, well everything.....
Yes, I agree with you, you need to comply with your state laws regarding Trusts as that's what the ATF is checking over, that they are valid in your home state.
It'd be nice to have a "official" statement from the ATF, I've heard guys quote examiners all day long and they sometimes contrdict themsleves.
But this is better than nothing.........but it's not "offical" either.
Basically it's up to the examiner you, me, whoever gets.
It's just like that stupid Citizenship doc, I have sent it in once, GALEO's logic got to me, but then I forgot right after that. Still approved.
Even a BATFE tech branch letter would mean little as those have been also contradicted as well.
I'm not trying to be difficult, I swear.
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I do a notarized copy of the whole thing - the notary just adds a line below the original notarization to the effect of "this is an authorized copy" with the new date and signature plus seal. Typewriters are still useful! I include a reduced sized photocopy as well, un-notarized, as a courtesy (the original is on legal size paper).
Somewhat of an Update:
Originally Posted By clasky:
I spoke to my examiner today. His name is Andrew Ashton. He said that he will get to my form1 next week. Anyway, I asked him about the whole Trust thing and what is acceptable to send (just so I would know if I was OK).
I told him that sent in the Declaration and Certification of Trust, both copies of the original notorized forms. I told him that the notory only had an embosser with a seal and no stamp, so I set the copier to the darkest setting so that the seal would show up as much as possible. I told him you can see the seal, but not necessarily read it. He said this was OK and that they are all that way.
He said that as long as I sent the Declaration of Trust, I would be OK for meeting the requirments. The certification is not neccessary, but he understands why I sent it just to be sure (s--t changes all the time and it is better to send more than less).
Anyway, Certification of Trust is not enough alone. You must send the Declaration. They will cash the check about 1 week after receiving the packet, but your forms will not go pending for about 3-4 weeks after the check is cashed. "Pending" means that your forms have been entered into the system and assigned to an examiner. The examiner will, most likely, not even see your forms for another week or so. Only then, will they bounce it back to you when they discover that you only sent in the Certification of Trust.
I wouldn't really say anything is official unless the ATF itself issued some sort of statement, or rules if you will, on the process of transferring items to trusts.
Mine was approved last month on a trust just by sending in photocopy of the certification and a citizenship form. I had another buddy get his back this week the same way on a trust.
I just think the ATF is just making sure the trusts are legal in their respective states. And as Arevalo said, everybody keeps quoting examiners. I'm sure every examiner has their own way of doing things.
As long as you formed your trust the right way, and in compliance with the laws of your state, I'm sure there is nothing to worry about!
Mine was approved last month on a trust just by sending in photocopy of the certification and a citizenship form. I had another buddy get his back this week the same way on a trust.
I just think the ATF is just making sure the trusts are legal in their respective states. And as Arevalo said, everybody keeps quoting examiners. I'm sure every examiner has their own way of doing things.
As long as you formed your trust the right way, and in compliance with the laws of your state, I'm sure there is nothing to worry about!
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I sent 2 Form 1s / 1 Certification of Trust / $200 check.
No Citizenship form / no Declaration of Trust
Approved 9/19 Ted Clutter examiner
I think the problems people are having are with new examiners or in states that have particular requirements.......Basically you don't have to send in a copy of the whole trust.
No Citizenship form / no Declaration of Trust
Approved 9/19 Ted Clutter examiner
I think the problems people are having are with new examiners or in states that have particular requirements.......Basically you don't have to send in a copy of the whole trust.
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Since this thread has started, I have sent (2) Form 4 trust transfers. THey were new trusts and the person that it was on was born in Germany.
I only sent the following:
(2) Form 4
(2) copy of certification of trust. (just to prove there is one)
(2) copies of citizenship form
Was approved in check cashed in 7 days, received approved back in 32 days.
You people that send more than what is REQUIRED astonish me. Do you send in more taxes then what you have to as well ?
All you are going to accomplish by doing this is make it MANDATORY.
Never give more than what you have to.
You people that are having to do extra things probably didnt do a good trust to start with. If you cant do a trust, get a lawyer.
Also, remember they KEEP a copy of the certification of trust. If you keep notorizing and re-dating everything each transfer you do it will make them want the entire trust. You need only to send COPIES of the notorized certification of trust. After you have the approved form 4 back, update your schedule A and your all set.
I know that some put it on the schedule A before getting it approved, but that really is not correct in the eyes of the law. Just like a house, putting earnest money down on it doesnt make it yours. For that matter, you could be rejected for some odd reason. If you already had it on your schedule A that would make it your possession and also in violation of federal law.
I only sent the following:
(2) Form 4
(2) copy of certification of trust. (just to prove there is one)
(2) copies of citizenship form
Was approved in check cashed in 7 days, received approved back in 32 days.
You people that send more than what is REQUIRED astonish me. Do you send in more taxes then what you have to as well ?
All you are going to accomplish by doing this is make it MANDATORY.
Never give more than what you have to.
You people that are having to do extra things probably didnt do a good trust to start with. If you cant do a trust, get a lawyer.
Also, remember they KEEP a copy of the certification of trust. If you keep notorizing and re-dating everything each transfer you do it will make them want the entire trust. You need only to send COPIES of the notorized certification of trust. After you have the approved form 4 back, update your schedule A and your all set.
I know that some put it on the schedule A before getting it approved, but that really is not correct in the eyes of the law. Just like a house, putting earnest money down on it doesnt make it yours. For that matter, you could be rejected for some odd reason. If you already had it on your schedule A that would make it your possession and also in violation of federal law.