M&P15-22: is this supposed to be loud? My Review

[trey_phish83]

So Folks, i went out and blew more money on guns (not a bad thing)




first look, i loved the rifle. the weight is perfect. nice and light. very light.
second look, little things they cheaped out on. plastic charging handle, etc.
overall, not a bad package, i bought the moe and that rang in at 550. for the price, i would figure it would be built with a bit better parts. i can overlook this.

so great-get it home. its already dark out, so i'm not going to be going to the range for accuracy just yet. but i do want to hear this old girl with a suppressor on it. take the flash hider off, long threads, but will fit. throw on my tac-65 and head to the driveway. BANG!!!!! this thing sounds like a gun! now compared to my 10/22 which is a slight click, this is very loud. very very loud. i believe its the polymer frame that is making it louder then what it would normally be.

has anyone had the same experience as me on this one?
thats a olympic 9mm&evo 9, M&P with tac 65, and a ruger sr-556 with a 762-SD just for reference.

[Greg Kulbick]

The loudest part about ours with a Prodigy on it is the action.

[JohnInNH]

Trey,

First off your kitchen is spotless. WTF? Not like most bachelor pads... No pizza boxes, empty beer cans, or porno magazines..

This sounds very reminiscent of the guy here with the Buckmark that was wicked loud with a silencer. Really loud. All others have Buckmarks that are quiet but his goes BANG! I bet it is the same problem what ever his was.

I have had this happen with my Hi Standard a few times and I am sure it is the bolt/slide opening way to early. I am sure of this because the times this has happened the BANG has also been accompanied with a considerable flash from the chamber.

Try having a person watch the chamber in low light when you shoot it with your silencer on, to look for signs of premature cycling of the bolt.

A different ammo selection might help? Remington subsonic was the biggest offender. The inconsistency in powder charges seemed to correlate with the problem.

Pfft, pfft, BANG, pfft, Pop, pfft, pfft Not a consistent report.

Maybe that's the problem. The timing might be off do to the altered chamber pressure curve caused by the silencer. Just guessing. Something is not right if others find it a quiet host. Hummmmmm

I KNOW it's not your Tac-65 since we shot it here and on a pistol it was as quiet as the Prodigy but with a lot less FRP. The tone was lower too. I doubt it was your silencer.

If it was not raining like a mo fo.. I would drive up and you could try the Prodigy to see if the different blow back changes anything.

What ammo? Did you try different ammo?

Hopefully you can get it sorted out. Some tweaking may fix it.

I really want to get a m16 lower and will want a .22 dedicated upper. Apparently getting them to run smoothly is a real challenge.

It is a cool looking .22 for sure. I hope you can figure it out and resolve it.

Keep us posted.

[trey_phish83]

this weekend i'm sure will be experimental time for me. possibly sunday when its supposed to be nice weather.

right now i'm stocked to the brim with dirty remington subsonic. i'll have to pic up some of that aguila.

manchester gun show saturday... got to spend more money.

[700PSS]

Loud from blast or loud from sonic crack? What ammo are you using? Maybe try some CCI Standard. In my Sig 522LR SWAT, it's literally quieter than my desktop stapler.

[trey_phish83]

Loud from blast or loud from sonic crack? What ammo are you using? Maybe try some CCI Standard. In my Sig 522LR SWAT, it's literally quieter than my desktop stapler.

loud from the blast. night shooting has led me to believe its from the chamber like john said. its opening really quick and has alot of flash from it.

[shutrbkr]

I use a Tac 65 on my M&P 15/22. CCI standard and subsonic run in this combo like a charm. I can hear the bullets actually hitting the targets. When I shoot an apple, all I can hear is the apple explode! When I use Remington subsonic, i get the loud noise too. I can not wait to use up my 600 rounds of Rem subsonic. They have about a 5-10 % failure to fire and high variance in charges. They also do not reliably cycle the 15/22. Rem standard velocity gives a lot of sonic cracks. CCI all the way for me. CCI standard never goes supersonic. CCI sub sonic cycle and fire the girl like a charm. Remington rim fire- spit spit spit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[trey_phish83]

thank you for posting that shutrbkr. today was the first day shooting it. all i had for ammo was remington thunderbolts, remington subsonics and a handfull of federal bulk pack.

both remington products barely worked in the gun. i'd say a little bit less then half the ammo worked.
the federal bulk pack ran 98% of the time.

i think i'm going to try the cci. hope i can get good results.

do you think its the gun or the ammo?

[JohnInNH]

Sums it up for me.. Remington sucks! The CCI TARGET blue box works well too. Bobs in Keene sells it. It is my pistol ammo of choice. In the heat of the summer it is subsonic in my 10/22.

Trey,,,, how was the gun show? Sell or buy anything?

I could not manage to do s--t yesterday.. I over did it on my crutches and fucked up my left shoulder/clavicle Even going to the bathroom hurt like a mo fo.

I have been playing with my new Sig S4 .... Time to get a P-220

[acsteele]

Check your recoil spring, it needs to be blue. Older guns had issues, I don't know all of the details, but the easiest way to see if yours has the correct spring, is to just open it up, and take a peek.

[sukhoi]

ar15 spacer?

[trey_phish83]

Check your recoil spring, it needs to be blue. Older guns had issues, I don't know all of the details, but the easiest way to see if yours has the correct spring, is to just open it up, and take a peek.

its blue

[Jebsgear]

Well reading this post just helped me settle on what to buy for my M&P15-22. I want one that will allow me to be able to do what you did, take off the flash hider and thread on my supressor. Can you tell me what model you ordered for yours?

[trey_phish83]

its the dark earth MOE edition m&p 15-22

after a few weeks of shooting it i've decided i would like to put this gun in the 'piece of s--t' category.

still loud. with a can on it, my ears ring. too much chamber blast.

does not run on any ammo. cci target blue box, cci blazer, cci subsonic, federal bulk pack, eley, aquila sub sonic. and definitely not anything Remington.

now, don't let this turn you away from buying one. i might have a shitty one. i might not. i'm going to e-mail smith and wesson and see what their customer service has to offer.

but it is accurate. it is a light ar-15. it would be fun if it ran correctly.

[JohnInNH]

I also find it frustrating with semi auto .22's that don't run right. Very few do IMHO. My sig conversion is starting to really disappoint me. Seems the hammer spring of the sig is to heavy, or the slide is to heavy. the recoil is not moving the slide back enough with all my ammo. If the recoil spring was lighter it would not have enough oomph to move the slide forward.

Same with my TacSol conversion.

My 10/22 does not run right either.. and it's been to a smith 3 times.

I HOPE going to a silencer with less blow back will help.

Some day I will have my SS Sparrow which I am sure has less blow back than the Gen 2 prodigy. (they tightened the bore from .280 to .250 so maybe that is why)

I have tried the Sig kit on both my 226 frames. Slide with oil vs slide with rails dry. I found it ran better freshly cleaned and DRY no lube.

I believe the light oil collects the blow back and gets gritty causing more friction. Grease was the worst.

Before I put my 2 conversions up for sale I will wait till I get my SS Sparrow approved. Maybe that will help.

[ick]

I have one of the colt M4 22lr rifles and it is not perfect either.

The GSG5 PK I have is like a dream though. Runs perfect. Remingon SS sounds great. I can't speak for the post-lawsuit GSG5 PK though... perhaps it is just as good.

[trey_phish83]

my 10/22 has never failed me. and it likes the junk remington ammo. and is less loud then the m&p

john, how many rounds do you have through your sig kit?

and did you ever pick up your 220 threaded ?

[JohnInNH]

my 10/22 has never failed me. and it likes the junk remington ammo. and is less loud then the m&p

john, how many rounds do you have through your sig kit?

and did you ever pick up your 220 threaded ?

ROAD TRIP?

Yup got the Sig 220 Elite TB.

I have about 200 through the Sig .22 kit.

I JUST got in my mag upgrade parts and SS guide rod 10 minutes ago. Will rework the Mag and try it. I have not lost all hope yet. Does that guy in Newport (the SOT) work on 10/22's?

I need to bring a barrel there to thread... I was thinking tomorrow.. can you get out?

Later..

[trey_phish83]

my 10/22 has never failed me. and it likes the junk remington ammo. and is less loud then the m&p

john, how many rounds do you have through your sig kit?

and did you ever pick up your 220 threaded ?

ROAD TRIP?

Yup got the Sig 220 Elite TB.

I have about 200 through the Sig .22 kit.

I JUST got in my mag upgrade parts and SS guide rod 10 minutes ago. Will rework the Mag and try it. I have not lost all hope yet. Does that guy in Newport (the SOT) work on 10/22's?

I need to bring a barrel there to thread... I was thinking tomorrow.. can you get out?

Later..

just gimme a call. he's closed sunday monday tuesday.

[majbg]

ick (and anyone else), I understand you own a GSG MP5. I'm currently looking for a new host (s) for my Spectre and am strongly considering the GSG MP5 PK, and the GSG 1911 (both in 22). I had a chance to shoot a buddy's GSG MP5 SD and loved it. Any insight you might have on this gun? I primarily shoot Wal-Mart Fed bulk ammo, and am curious if the 5" bbl on the 1911 will keep it subsonic, or if it is even a problem. Many Thanks. Bill

[JohnInNH]

ick (and anyone else), I understand you own a GSG MP5. I'm currently looking for a new host (s) for my Spectre and am strongly considering the GSG MP5 PK, and the GSG 1911 (both in 22). I had a chance to shoot a buddy's GSG MP5 SD and loved it. Any insight you might have on this gun? I primarily shoot Wal-Mart Fed bulk ammo, and am curious if the 5" bbl on the 1911 will keep it subsonic, or if it is even a problem. Many Thanks. Bill

All my 5"barrels are problematic with bulk pack going supersonic. The exception is Winchester DynaPoint in the black box. I have one every now and again that will go transonic.

[ick]

ick (and anyone else), I understand you own a GSG MP5. I'm currently looking for a new host (s) for my Spectre and am strongly considering the GSG MP5 PK, and the GSG 1911 (both in 22). I had a chance to shoot a buddy's GSG MP5 SD and loved it. Any insight you might have on this gun? I primarily shoot Wal-Mart Fed bulk ammo, and am curious if the 5" bbl on the 1911 will keep it subsonic, or if it is even a problem. Many Thanks. Bill

I looked at the GSG5 PK and P. With the P the 1/12 adapter threads into the frame... which I didn't like. The PK thread adapter attaches directly to the barrel, this is why I chose the PK.

I would imagine that a suppressor on the 1911.... you wouldn't be able to see the irons with the can in the way? I can't speak to the 1911.

First thing I did with my PK was buy the bolt/nut upgrade.

[sukhoi]

here is firemans mp 1522 setup, not too loud
http://www.youtube.com/fireman1291#p/u/12/5BetNQYHxUs

[trey_phish83]

video camera's are not accurate instruments to record and reproduce quiet levels of shooting.