I was welding my 17 caliber can together today and blew a hole in the front end cap with my wire feed welder. I used .035 tubing and the end cap metal is equally thin. I have not had problems with this before, but I think I paused the torch briefly and the tubing just blew out.
I need suggestions on how to repair this. One option is to cut off the end caps, make new ones and replace the tubing. Another is to cut off the last half inch of the tubing and make another front end cap.
I would like to repair the tubing. I was already on the minimum voltage setting; trying to buildup the tubing with the torch will just make the hole bigger. I am thinking that if I can somehow insert a piece of metal inside and hold it against the tubing, I can weld a patch in place then finish welding the end cap on. Suggestions? Thanks.
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Blew a hole in my silencer with a welder. Please help.
Blew a hole in my silencer with a welder. Please help.
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Re: Blew a hole in my silencer with a welder. Please help.
Your Kung-Fu is weak.
Filling a hole in non-rusty steel with a MIG welder should be no problem.
Practice maybe.
Squirt the wire back towards the existing weld , and pulse it. should be like "zap-long pause-zap-long pause-zap"
Filling a hole in non-rusty steel with a MIG welder should be no problem.
Practice maybe.
Squirt the wire back towards the existing weld , and pulse it. should be like "zap-long pause-zap-long pause-zap"
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Yeah man just make a puddle against the existing weld bead, pause, let it cool down from red, then repeat until filled then grind, or better yet use a tiger paw disc, to dress it down some, and then repeat if any craters or under fill is present.
You could also dial back your amps, this is why I stick weld , mostly, because you can dial the amps way down, and hold a close arc and make short work of stuff like that.
You could also dial back your amps, this is why I stick weld , mostly, because you can dial the amps way down, and hold a close arc and make short work of stuff like that.
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Re: Blew a hole in my silencer with a welder. Please help.
I fixed it. I was already at the minimum amps, so dialing down was not an option..
I've had problems welding thin metal before, so I was leery about just putting a bead on the weld and closing it up. So I put a piece of tubing inside the hole to consume while welding the hole shut Yes, my welding skills are weak.
I have a bit of filing to do, followed by the sanding and bluing.
Ranb
I've had problems welding thin metal before, so I was leery about just putting a bead on the weld and closing it up. So I put a piece of tubing inside the hole to consume while welding the hole shut Yes, my welding skills are weak.
I have a bit of filing to do, followed by the sanding and bluing.
Ranb
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Re: Blew a hole in my silencer with a welder. Please help.
Next time pretend it's an old Dodge Coronet and patch it with Bondo. Take pictures after you shoot it though....
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Re: Blew a hole in my silencer with a welder. Please help.
Finished it.
The finish is a bit rough like the other cans I make, but all that matters is that it works in the noise reduction department.
Ranb
The finish is a bit rough like the other cans I make, but all that matters is that it works in the noise reduction department.
Ranb
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Re: Blew a hole in my silencer with a welder. Please help.
Nice. I suck at fine welding too. Would TIG give better control?
I am envious of the old grizzled welders who can weld two razor blades together at 90 degrees with TIG, or even more amazing, welding two aluminum beer cans together end to end with a full bead. No holes... amazing skills.
I am envious of the old grizzled welders who can weld two razor blades together at 90 degrees with TIG, or even more amazing, welding two aluminum beer cans together end to end with a full bead. No holes... amazing skills.
Re: Blew a hole in my silencer with a welder. Please help.
TIG would I guess, but I am a cheap SOB and am sticking to wire feed for now.
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amazing. I don't know how you guys do this kind of stuff.
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Re: Blew a hole in my silencer with a welder. Please help.
While they are drinking one of them and without getting it warm.....Baffled wrote: or even more amazing, welding two aluminum beer cans together end to end with a full bead. No holes... amazing skills.
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Re: Blew a hole in my silencer with a welder. Please help.
here is a site that has helped me a lot in the past.
http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/
welding aluminum foil together
http://www.millerwelds.com/resources/vi ... y/tig.html#
bottom video on left side
http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/
welding aluminum foil together
http://www.millerwelds.com/resources/vi ... y/tig.html#
bottom video on left side
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Re: Blew a hole in my silencer with a welder. Please help.
TIG is the Cadillac of welding I use it due to the total flexibility it has, you may have some success with gas to weld plugs.
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Re: Blew a hole in my silencer with a welder. Please help.
Microscopic GTAW (Tig) welding using 15X microscopes - the ultimate in manual welding.
Filler wires are .005" to .020" in diameter. Tungsten size is .020" to .040" diameter. Amperage control down to 0.10 amps.
We are easily able to weld two pieces of .005" thickness stainless to each other.
Filler wires are .005" to .020" in diameter. Tungsten size is .020" to .040" diameter. Amperage control down to 0.10 amps.
We are easily able to weld two pieces of .005" thickness stainless to each other.
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Re: Blew a hole in my silencer with a welder. Please help.
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soo what is it ,you are welding at
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Re: Blew a hole in my silencer with a welder. Please help.
That's my kind of welding!
I stare into a scope all day long.
Should I learn how to TIG this way?
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Microscopes and forklifts, not something I associate.
I stare into a scope all day long.
Should I learn how to TIG this way?
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Microscopes and forklifts, not something I associate.
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Re: Blew a hole in my silencer with a welder. Please help.
Thats not a welding shop, it`s a opperating room for metal!!!
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SRM wrote:Thats not a welding shop, it`s a opperating room for metal!!!
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Re: Blew a hole in my silencer with a welder. Please help.
So Wicked, I take it that you work in a mold shop? Micro welding sure is fun....
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Wicked that is bad ass.
Great welds. I wish I could do them 1/4 that good.
Trying to figure out a turning device I can use to weld tubes that can be used by one person. Any ideas? Can PM me. I don't want to hijack this thread.
Great welds. I wish I could do them 1/4 that good.
Trying to figure out a turning device I can use to weld tubes that can be used by one person. Any ideas? Can PM me. I don't want to hijack this thread.
Re: Blew a hole in my silencer with a welder. Please help.
http://www.jandrweldingsupply.com/store ... ioner.html
I am not Wicked, but I have used something similar to this TIG welding tube-ish things together. We put a cheap 3 jaw chuck on ours.
I am not Wicked, but I have used something similar to this TIG welding tube-ish things together. We put a cheap 3 jaw chuck on ours.
Re: Blew a hole in my silencer with a welder. Please help.
I have one of those Atlas XT200's. They're nice for hood work, but too big to get under the scopes. We also use a few other different types of positioners, mostly built in-house. Some are very simple and only turn by hand. But this is my all-time favorite, a Roto Star III. http://www.starleymfg.com/roto-star_III.htm Unfortunately, it's super spendy.
There are many other dedicated 'rotary welding positioners' that will do the same job but for a lot less. Search e-gay for used.
There are many other dedicated 'rotary welding positioners' that will do the same job but for a lot less. Search e-gay for used.
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That microwelding is bad-assed. I want that job!
Question - in some pics, it looks like you are dumping 100 mA into a giant block of mold steel. How is a puddle even generated? Doesn't the bulk of the metal absorb all the energy?
And what equipment do you use to get a stable arc at 0.1 amp?
Very nice.
Question - in some pics, it looks like you are dumping 100 mA into a giant block of mold steel. How is a puddle even generated? Doesn't the bulk of the metal absorb all the energy?
And what equipment do you use to get a stable arc at 0.1 amp?
Very nice.
Re: Blew a hole in my silencer with a welder. Please help.
I've played with a machine that was stable down to .5 amps, but .1 amp is very impressive. In every application requiring amperage that low I've always seen lasers being used. I'm also curious about who built this system.
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Re: Blew a hole in my silencer with a welder. Please help.
I mentioned to a master welder I know about blowing a hole in a tube with a mig he says it happens all the time but is very difficult to repair with the mig he recommended using a gas torch for the repair.
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Re: Blew a hole in my silencer with a welder. Please help.
Believe it or not, regular Miller Maxstar 200 DX inverter power supplies are very reliable starters with stable arcs at just 2.0 amps. Incredible performance for a $3000 welder.TigWiz wrote:I've played with a machine that was stable down to .5 amps, but .1 amp is very impressive. In every application requiring amperage that low I've always seen lasers being used. I'm also curious about who built this system.
Yes, for most cases, any application requiring less than 10 amps or so gets put on one of the lasers. It's not based so much on power consumption but part geometry, part thickness and how much heat the part will tolerate. Many of the non-production quantities of small items that get laser welded we simply hold by hand under the laser because there is so little heat transfer.
Most of my Micro-GTAW systems and power supplies are built by these guys: http://weldlogic.com/
The standard power supply alone runs about $11,000 but it's the shizzle for small and tiny: http://www.weldlogic.com/modelpa.php
They're NOT electronic inverters either, but old school copper wound construction built to last. These things run all day, every day, forever.
And, this one should look somewhat familiar: http://weldlogic.com/mawl.php
I can't defy the laws of physics. That steel must get to 2700 degrees at some point. The real the question is: how quickly can you get there and how long do you stay?Baffled wrote:Question - in some pics, it looks like you are dumping 100 mA into a giant block of mold steel. How is a puddle even generated? Doesn't the bulk of the metal absorb all the energy?
Correct, blocks that large definitely aren't getting welded using half an amps worth of current. You'd be surprised at how little it actually takes though. Then again, not all the parts we weld are that big. There is no magic bean but there are some tricks and skills to using just enough ass, and no more. Otherwise, if it were that easy then anyone could do it - and I'd have to find another line of work.
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