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Re: 11.5 inch barrel ar no stock and forward grip but not a

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franklinarmory wrote: GSE makes a shorter extension that would work. Heck, RRA has a system to eliminate it all together.

I am well aware of that, but unlike a muzzle device, you can't remove the buffer assembly and have it work. It is a part of the firearm that is needed to make it work.
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Bowen1911 wrote:
franklinarmory wrote: GSE makes a shorter extension that would work. Heck, RRA has a system to eliminate it all together.
I am well aware of that, but unlike a muzzle device, you can't remove the buffer assembly and have it work. It is a part of the firearm that is needed to make it work.
Sorry, but that statement while being technically correct is somewhat misleading. It's true that you cannot remove the mass and function of the buffer and have it work, you can relocate and redistribute the reciprocating mass to the bolt and in front of the bolt and have it function.

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm? ... ory_id=442
http://www.paraord.com/new/product_rifle_large.php?id=1

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Libertarian_Geek wrote: Sorry, but that statement while being technically correct is somewhat misleading. It's true that you cannot remove the mass and function of the buffer and have it work, you can relocate and redistribute the reciprocating mass to the bolt and in front of the bolt and have it function.
Nothing misleading about that quote at all. We aren't talking about the RRA or the Para, with the specific firearm in question if you remove the tube it will not work.
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Bendersquint wrote:
Libertarian_Geek wrote: Sorry, but that statement while being technically correct is somewhat misleading. It's true that you cannot remove the mass and function of the buffer and have it work, you can relocate and redistribute the reciprocating mass to the bolt and in front of the bolt and have it function.
Nothing misleading about that quote at all. We aren't talking about the RRA or the Para, with the specific firearm in question if you remove the tube it will not work.
Are you sure? I think that you guys are somewhat talking past each other.

From this comment, it appears that FranklinArmory is tossing out a hypothetical based on RRA's extensionless configurations:
FranklinArmory wrote:GSE makes a shorter extension that would work. Heck, RRA has a system to eliminate it all together.
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changing a stock on a bolt action can change the OAL, but changing a muzzle device doesn't. If you take off the stock, it is no longer a shoulder fired weapon. There are other stocks that allow it to work as intended, but they change OAL

That is the same principle as the buffer tube, and I don't see why it is hard to understand.
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Bowen1911 wrote:changing a stock on a bolt action can change the OAL, but changing a muzzle device doesn't. If you take off the stock, it is no longer a shoulder fired weapon. There are other stocks that allow it to work as intended, but they change OAL

That is the same principle as the buffer tube, and I don't see why it is hard to understand.
Really it is not hard to understand. It simply was a question that had to be asked.

Consult your attorney before taking a stock off of a shoulder fired weapon and turning it into something else. You may get an interesting surprise. :mrgreen:
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franklinarmory wrote: Consult your attorney before taking a stock off of a shoulder fired weapon and turning it into something else. You may get an interesting surprise. :mrgreen:

How do I do a trigger job then? How do I put a different stock on? Seems pretty difficult without taking it off.
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Bowen1911 wrote:
franklinarmory wrote: Consult your attorney before taking a stock off of a shoulder fired weapon and turning it into something else. You may get an interesting surprise. :mrgreen:

How do I do a trigger job then? How do I put a different stock on? Seems pretty difficult without taking it off.

Take the BARREL off FIRST!!
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rogerme wrote:
Bowen1911 wrote:
franklinarmory wrote: Consult your attorney before taking a stock off of a shoulder fired weapon and turning it into something else. You may get an interesting surprise. :mrgreen:

How do I do a trigger job then? How do I put a different stock on? Seems pretty difficult without taking it off.

Take the BARREL off FIRST!!
I would recommend that the user to find a wrench that best fits the rifle's hyperbole nut and remove it first. The rest will become clear afterwards.
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